Need a truck, 5.0 or 3.5 EB?

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  1. Silver Bullitt

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    Really not a very good comparison. 315 in the V8 vs 355 in the V6, but more importantly 700 lbs difference between the two. I won't argue about the fuel mileage, but no way the V8 will keep up with the V6 towing, particularly at elevation. I pull an 8,500 lb TT with the truck loaded and it pulls like an angry mule. As mentioned above, the 3.5 Ecoboost is the closest thing you'll get to a diesel towing with a gasser.
     
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    Just throw a whipple on the coyote and it'll leave the egoboost in the dust even while towing. And you will never get great mileage while towing. If you want good mileage go buy a god damn Prius.
     
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    I personally would stay away from an ecoboost engine, unless I was planning to only keep it while it was in warranty.

    I also prefer the sound of the V8.
     
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    I'd go 5.0 all the way. I'm trying to figure out what my next DD is going to be, and an F150 is high on the list. I'm hoping the 5.0 is still around (not to mention the regular cab short bed 4x4 configuration) when I'm ready to order....

    A co-worker is finding out first-hand what owning an EB is like out of warranty, a 2013 with a bit over 80K miles. Warped exhaust manifold (it's a thing I guess) + leaking timing cover = several grand out of pocket. Not much in parts, but apparently they're a bitch to work on.
     
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    The Ecoboost has no more problems inherently than any other engine. I mean, look at all the horror stories about the 5.0 on this site alone... Yet mine runs like a scalded cat.

    Still prefer the eco in the truck. It's a better truck engine if you actually use your truck like a truck. No $10,000 sc required.
     
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    The EB is inherently more complicated than the 5.0 with quite a few more components in it. I has turbos that run very hot and increase the heat under the hood - everything under the hood has to live in a hotter environment. The engine is smaller displacement and more over-stressed.

    It doesn't take a genius to figure out that - given a power/torque requirement and everything else being equal - a larger displacement engine tends to be more reliable. And a naturally aspirated engine tends to be more reliable than a boosted engine.

    I prefer a large displacement NA engine in any pickup - and any other vehicle really. I have a V10 in my Ford pickup. It's 20 years old, but works great. Perfect for plowing and hauling.
     
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    Yeah, I guess that's correct, and all the 200k + mile ecos are just flukes.

    Look, my opinion is based on my experience, not what I read into internet, or what my buddies, uncle's, dentist told him. I have a 2000 5.4 expy, and a 2001 5.4 f150, and I drove a rental 5.0 f150. I hate to tell ya, the 3.5 eco is the best of the bunch for truck stuff.

    BTW, the tow rating of the eco truck is ~3,000 lbs higher than your v10, and the eco gets twice the miles per gallon easy. Genius indeed.
     
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    Truck.jpg You should go to the F150 forums and ask the question. I kid you not the answers are far different than these. The 5.0 is having tons of issues, the 2.7 is a beast and the 3.5 is even more of a beast but used more for towing. I couldn't be happier with mine.
     
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    From what I've been reading lately, the 2.7 eco doesn't give up much to the 3.5 where it counts, and gets even better mpg. Can't go wrong with that one either.
     
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    #50 Hack, Jun 11, 2019 at 7:44 AM
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    Definitely go to the smallest possible engine with lots of turbo boost. What can go wrong?

    I'm happy with my '99 Super Duty that cost me $5,000. It tows great and I don't really care about fuel economy. I don't use it to commute in. I use it to tow, haul and plow.

    BTW the plow company recommends at least an F250. It doesn't have anything to do with the engine, but for "truck stuff" an F150 is weak sauce.

    How many years of better fuel economy will it take to pay for a 3.5 EB (must be in a F250 chassis) versus my $5,000 vehicle?

    200k out of an EB is great. And expected. Any engine should last at least that long. Hopefully they will continue to run for many years into the future and they will work great when they are 20 years old like my F250 with the V10 with no major and expensive repairs required.

    I still like the 5.0 over any of the EB. I understand your argument - even though the EB is more complicated it still works better. I'm just not buying in.
     
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    Cool deal. If you get some first hand experience with the 5.0, 3.5, or 2.7 in an F150, let us know.
     
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    I had a 2011 eb, stock and tuned, and a 2015 5.0, stock and supercharged. The stock eb was uninspiring, but tuned it was a different and exciting vehicle. The stock 5.0 surprised me and obviously the supercharged 5.0 was the power king. The biggest reliability issue I had was spark plugs going out on both. I had to regap them more often than you would think. However, I didn’t keep any of them past about 65k miles, so take that FWIW.

    If I had to buy another one today it wouldn't be an easy decision, even with the benefit of experience owning both.
     
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    Unlike the bigger V6, the 2.7 was actually designed around the turbos. It's an amazing combo ;) Of which is seeing less issues than any other platform out currently.
     
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    That's interesting. What is your frame of reference for a stock truck? A 6.1 0-60 and 14.6 1/4 mile seems pretty snappy for a loaded four door truck that can tow 11,300 pounds. IIRC, it tested faster than any of the other new trucks that year, with the exception of the Raptor.
     
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    Prior to the 2011 eb, I had an rcsb tundra. Before that was a Harley sc 5.4, and before that a 2nd gen Lightning. It might have hung with the Harley but couldn’t touch the others even though the power rating was similar. The response was much softer/slower than any of the others, stock. I blame the factory cal, as a 5 star cal fixed all that.
     
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    I would imagine compared to a gen 2 lightning, none of those trucks seem that inspiring :wink:
     
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    My whipple 2015 f-150 made over 640 rwhp so it did :D
     
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    I've driven the 5.0 and 3.5 in an F150.

    So now you know.
     
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    Two guys I work with have F150s. One is a 2015 with 3.5EB with 105K miles and the other is a 2017 2.7EB with 40K miles. Both love them and have had no engine issues at all.
     
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    I just picked up a '19 Explorer Sport with the 3.5 EB. Very impressed with the torque and I notice zero turbo lag.
     
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