Mustang vs 2020 Supra

[MaskedRacerX]

Since I don't want a DCT and prefer a manual transmission it misses the mark for what I want as far as the transmission goes.

FYI, it's not a DCT, it's just a "regular" 8-speed automatic (though modern autos are pretty awesome, they're not quite what a DCT offers (see GT500 )

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[Stymee]

tune and downpipe and one just hit 10.79. My old boss picked one up for his company. It’s much faster then we both thought it would be. His is tuned by delicious tuning, KW coil overs and some bracing. From a roll I think I’d get him but not from a dig with the tires I have on. I haven’t got to talk to him today about it but last night word is he got a stock A10 in at least a 1/8th they didn’t have anymore room. We are going to try and go this weekend and do some fun runs

Pretty impressive

 

[Hack]

FYI, it's not a DCT, it's just a "regular" 8-speed automatic (though modern autos are pretty awesome, they're not quite what a DCT offers (see GT500 )

Thanks for the correction. I don't know why I thought it was a DCT. Maybe just due to what most other BMWs are equipped with. Last year I test drove an M4 with a DCT, so I guess I was assuming that BMW would have put DCT in this drivetrain as well. I thought the Supra was supposed to be a premium product with the best equipment on it for some reason.

 

[MaskedRacerX]

Thanks for the correction. I don't know why I thought it was a DCT. Maybe just due to what most other BMWs are equipped with. Last year I test drove an M4 with a DCT, so I guess I was assuming that BMW would have put DCT in this drivetrain as well. I thought the Supra was supposed to be a premium product with the best equipment on it for some reason.

Hahaha, I had to look it up again! I was going to say it wasn't then wasn't even sure myself

Yeah, it's odd, maybe cost, packaging[?]

 

[gixxersixxerman]

I think most thought it had a DCT everyone talked about a DCT. It even farts between shifts like a DCT. Driving it is close, but not quite as fast, that’s where you really notice it. It’s not as fast as a PDK or anything. But if you’ve never been in a DCT car I can see how some think it is.

 

[Hack]

I think most thought it had a DCT everyone talked about a DCT. It even farts between shifts like a DCT. Driving it is close, but not quite as fast, that’s where you really notice it. It’s not as fast as a PDK or anything. But if you’ve never been in a DCT car I can see how some think it is.

I've been in a few DCT cars, Porsche, BMW and a Ferrari and I might not notice anyway. I've only driven any of them briefly, so I didn't really absorb all the nuances.

The farting is part of why I assumed the Supra was a DCT. Nasty noises that thing makes.

 

[Golgo69]

What dyno is used for lots of part/engine testing? Lots of different manufacturers in different locations out there bud. What about folks dynoing cars using STD correction? What tire pressure was Car A running vs. Car B? What about temperature, humidity, engine oil temp, etc. etc.

A dyno is a measurement device yes, but it's best used for tuning. Any slapdick running around bragging/comparing about peak dyno numbers is about as ignorant as it gets.

I know this old but I have to like this!

 

[Balr14]

Here's a few facts that are worth mentioning:

The current Supra (2023) uses the latest version of the BMW B58 engine, which puts out 382 hp at the wheels and is underrated. Most will dyno around 400whp. The 2019 model was rated at 330 hp.

The B58 Supra and BMW Z4 are available with manual transmission, now.

The ZF 8 speed auto is replacing DCT transmissions in many applications, as it is stronger and more durable than a DCT and just as fast. ZF is also the company that makes the PDK and C8 DCT. Jaguar, BMW and brands have replaced the DCT with the ZF 8 speed auto. I've had both the ZF 8 speed and the PDK. I'll take the ZF 8 speed.

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