Mustang vs 2020 Supra

[chrisblack]

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[Schwerin]

The Infiniti VR30DDTT is a 3.0T rated 400 in a 51K car, but it dynos closer to 440. The BMW TT doesn't impress me for the money from a HP/Engine POV.

 

[Schwerin]

Preach!

The 2018 Mustang 5.0 is "SAE rated" at 460, yet makes 497 on HotRod Mag's Engine dyno. So you can take that with a grain of salt.

 

[Schooley]

The 2018 Mustang 5.0 is "SAE rated" at 460, yet makes 497 on HotRod Mag's Engine dyno. So you can take that with a grain of salt.

I can take it with a grain of salt, as long as you understand that a dyno number is meant for tuning and not for measurement.

Any Cleetus in the world can print out a magnificent dyno sheet that will promise your tuned Bullitt is making GT500 power.. take that with a grain of salt

 

[Schwerin]

I can take it with a grain of salt, as long as you understand that a dyno number is meant for tuning and not for measurement.

Any Cleetus in the world can print out a magnificent dyno sheet that will promise your tuned Bullitt is making GT500 power.. take that with a grain of salt

So what are SAE numbers measured on if not an engine dyno? Even if the dyno is off by a little bit that's a big difference for a dyno that is used for lots of part/engine testing and reviewing.

 

[Schooley]

So what are SAE numbers measured on if not an engine dyno? Even if the dyno is off by a little bit that's a big difference for a dyno that is used for lots of part/engine testing and reviewing.

What dyno is used for lots of part/engine testing? Lots of different manufacturers in different locations out there bud. What about folks dynoing cars using STD correction? What tire pressure was Car A running vs. Car B? What about temperature, humidity, engine oil temp, etc. etc.

A dyno is a measurement device yes, but it's best used for tuning. Any slapdick running around bragging/comparing about peak dyno numbers is about as ignorant as it gets.

 

[Schwerin]

What dyno is used for lots of part/engine testing? Lots of different manufacturers in different locations out there bud. What about folks dynoing cars using STD correction? What tire pressure was Car A running vs. Car B? What about temperature, humidity, engine oil temp, etc. etc.

A dyno is a measurement device yes, but it's best used for tuning. Any slapdick running around bragging/comparing about peak dyno numbers is about as ignorant as it gets.

You do know an engine dyno means the engine is OUT of the car right?

 

[MaskedRacerX]

You guys need to cut back on the salt, even a grain - it's really unhealthy ...

 

[Schooley]

The 2018 Mustang 5.0 is "SAE rated" at 460, yet makes 497 on HotRod Mag's Engine dyno. So you can take that with a grain of salt.

You do know an engine dyno means the engine is OUT of the car right?

Sorry, missed the first capital "Engine" in your first quote.. but not sure why you quoted my initial post (talking about chassis dyno results) with one about engine dyno results.

In any sense, what's your point? Do you honestly believe Ford dyno'd their car at 460? Or is it more likely they underrated their output to keep the GT from closing the gap on the GT350??

 

[Schwerin]

My point was that if SAE rating meant anything the dyno would have showed closer to 460 as it's SAE rated.

 

[Subarashi]

So apparently the Supra makes a lot more power than advertised

"Dyno Test Reveals The 2020 Toyota Supra Has a Lot More Power Than Expected"
https://jalopnik.com/dyno-test-reveals-the-2020-toyota-supra-has-a-lot-more-1834928175
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a27543113/2020-toyota-supra-dyno-horsepower/

"C&D’s dyno test, done at Livernois Motorsports and Engineering in Dearborn Heights, Michigan, appears to confirm this. Their Supra came in at 339 HP and 427 lb-ft of torque—at the wheels."

 

[bluebeastsrt]

So apparently the Supra makes a lot more power than advertised

"Dyno Test Reveals The 2020 Toyota Supra Has a Lot More Power Than Expected"
https://jalopnik.com/dyno-test-reveals-the-2020-toyota-supra-has-a-lot-more-1834928175
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a27543113/2020-toyota-supra-dyno-horsepower/

"C&D’s dyno test, done at Livernois Motorsports and Engineering in Dearborn Heights, Michigan, appears to confirm this. Their Supra came in at 339 HP and 427 lb-ft of torque—at the wheels."

I doubt this surprises anyone. BMW is the king of making more power than advertised.

 

[MaskedRacerX]

So the new Supra is a dyno queen just like the mk4.

Well, to be fair, the whole dyno queen thing came from bad drivers + 6-speed manual + oversized/peaky single turbos (all top end). With some of the more modern turbo designs and an automatic, there were some killer times posted.

 

[Hack]

So the new Supra is a dyno queen just like the mk4.

The dyno graph was not peaky at all. Looks like an awesome engine to me. Other than the crappy sounds a 6 cylinder makes - pretty good.

Now if Toyota would just drop a manual in there, this car could live up to the Supra name.

 

[Hack]

I firmly believe that if you need to explain a joke, it stops being funny, but I'll do it anyway!

I was poking fun at how the numbers didn't match results with mk4s.

I should have realized that. Typical of me.

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