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To all of you diehard manual fans out there, I feel your pain but.........

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Kind of ironic that your quote comes from a source suggesting we live life happy. Last I checked, what makes me happy does not depend on what other people like for themselves, or on what they think I should like.


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martinjlm said:
Sign o’ the times.....

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/02/10/ev-sales-surpass-manual-transmissions/
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The manual transmission's long, harrowing demise continued in 2019. For the first time, the number of electric cars sold new in America was higher than the number of vehicles delivered with three pedals and a clutch disc.

1.1% of Americans who bought a new car last year selected (or settled for) a manual transmission...

That's as far as I read, I didn't settle for shit when I ordered my car with the manual transmission! It's a sports car! I doubt any of that 1.1% settled for the transmission. Mkay, blood pressure reaching normal levels again. Carry on lol.
 
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Sivi70980 said:
That's as far as I read, I didn't settle for shit when I ordered my car with the manual transmission! It's a sports car! I doubt any of that 1.1% settled for the transmission. Mkay, blood pressure reaching normal levels again. Carry on lol.
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You settled in 0-60 time against an A10. :giggle:
 
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Sivi70980 said:
The manual transmission's long, harrowing demise continued in 2019. For the first time, the number of electric cars sold new in America was higher than the number of vehicles delivered with three pedals and a clutch disc.

1.1% of Americans who bought a new car last year selected (or settled for) a manual transmission...

That's as far as I read, I didn't settle for shit when I ordered my car with the manual transmission! It's a sports car! I doubt any of that 1.1% settled for the transmission. Mkay, blood pressure reaching normal levels again. Carry on lol.
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Mustang, Camaro, Corvette, and Miata buyers selected manual transmission.
Hyundai Elantra, Kia Forte, Nissan Versa, and Nissan Sentra buyers settled for manual transmission
 

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You settled in 0-60 time against an A10. :giggle:
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Hahah! 0-60 times was actually kind of far down my list.

1. V8 sound
2. road handling/feel similar to my mini
3. looks
4. price per hp
5. 0-60 time

I test drove a fully loaded A10 car and a bone stock manual then placed my order selecting what I wanted. Sales guy (an enthusiast himself) talked me into PP1 and I'm most thankful he did. My overall mustang experience this time around has been the best new car experience I've ever had. LOVE this car! No regerts.
 
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martinjlm said:
Mustang, Camaro, Corvette, and Miata buyers selected manual transmission.
Hyundai Elantra, Kia Forte, Nissan Versa, and Nissan Sentra buyers settled for manual transmission
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For me, transmission is a deal breaker. Not sure how anyone can settle for one they don't want. It's not like there aren't dealers with car lined up everywhere. I like to think your group B of buyers there, while caring less about performance or anything besides getting to where they're going, would still rank the type of transmission fairly important.
 
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Hyundai Elantra, Kia Forte, Nissan Versa, and Nissan Sentra buyers settled for manual transmission
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Or more like settled for the damn VCT (eg. Subaru) because that's all there is. Discrete ratio autos are also being supplanted.

I drove a 2SS with A10 for 10 days (rental) and promptly bought the M6. Ignoring that the 1LE mandates M6, I was bored silly with the A10. If I want to drive an auto I have a pickup truck for that. Don't get me wrong the Camaro clutch pedal action is rather lousy/picky compared to the Mustang and VW. There might be a spring-change fix to that. I've gotten stuck in 2mph traffic jams and sure it's not fun but I can't be convinced to abandon the manual.
 
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Sivi70980 said:
For me, transmission is a deal breaker. Not sure how anyone can settle for one they don't want. It's not like there aren't dealers with car lined up everywhere. I like to think your group B of buyers there, while caring less about performance or anything besides getting to where they're going, would still rank the type of transmission fairly important.
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That's the difference between people who drive because they like to drive (me...sounds like you, too) and people who drive because that's the best way to get where they're going (the vast majority of the American driving public).

People in that second group pay $900 - $1,700 to NOT have a manual transmission. Some who buy very basic transportation, like the cars I listed in my last post, often settle for the MT because they can't or aren't willing to pay the additional charge for an AT.
 
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Or more like settled for the damn VCT (eg. Subaru) because that's all there is. Discrete ratio autos are also being supplanted.

I drove a 2SS with A10 for 10 days (rental) and promptly bought the M6. Ignoring that the 1LE mandates M6, I was bored silly with the A10. If I want to drive an auto I have a pickup truck for that. Don't get me wrong the Camaro clutch pedal action is rather lousy/picky compared to the Mustang and VW. There might be a spring-change fix to that. I've gotten stuck in 2mph traffic jams and sure it's not fun but I can't be convinced to abandon the manual.
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I prefer MT, but when I bought my car I bought the 8AT because there are several other features that require the AT. Since the AT didn't suffer from a performance standpoint I wasn't too uncomfortable making the tradeoff. Over several years I had the opportunity to drive a lot of different 5th and 6th Gen Camaros, both MT and AT and knew that I would enjoy my driving time with either configuration.
 

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martinjlm said:
That's the difference between people who drive because they like to drive (me...sounds like you, too) and people who drive because that's the best way to get where they're going (the vast majority of the American driving public).

People in that second group pay $900 - $1,700 to NOT have a manual transmission. Some who buy very basic transportation, like the cars I listed in my last post, often settle for the MT because they can't or aren't willing to pay the additional charge for an AT.
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That's a fair point. I guess those super budget buyers also still get the absolute best mpg and cheaper maintenance for getting the manual that they otherwise may not have wanted.
 
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Fixed it. How else do you explain the self-driving / autonomous craze.
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OK, I'll give you 'mental' for those who really do want to have an electronic chauffeur (it's not as big of a percentage as you may think - not yet anyway) if you'll give me 'physical' for those who still care enough about driving to do some of it for themselves :wink:


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But Karen wants to finally drive a mustang...and I bet she'll drive it like an asshole too.
 
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