Mustang for Supercars next year

[GT 550]

Now this looks GOOD

https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/gallery-kelly-grove-racing-gen3-mustang-renders/

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[raptor17GT]

Yeah it looks Fab and the Camaro looks quite tasty too. Was reading on motorsport.com that the control engines will be a 5.4L aluminator for Ford and a 5.7 for the GM cards with parity rules to keep them even. Hopefully the racing will allow more side by side and not so much areo wash though as I said in another thread, SVG has no issues overtaking folks, maybe his elbows are bigger and more pointy

 

[GT 550]

Agree. I've even heard SVG complain about aero wash. He's possibly got elbow feel, cojones and tech smarts beyond the others. I recall watching him cool the tyres down mid race by driving in a rut full of standing water on the side of the track, and the extent to which he adjusts the car setting for each corner is really impressive. IMHO he leaves nothing on the table.

 

[Stevefreestyle]

Yeah it looks Fab and the Camaro looks quite tasty too. Was reading on motorsport.com that the control engines will be a 5.4L aluminator for Ford and a 5.7 for the GM cards with parity rules to keep them even. Hopefully the racing will allow more side by side and not so much areo wash though as I said in another thread, SVG has no issues overtaking folks, maybe his elbows are bigger and more pointy

Yes the clowns at V8 S/Cs have been referencing a 5.4 "Coyote Crate' Engine, only one slight problem, the much quoted 5.4 Coyote Crate does not exist!

There are two choices - the 5.0 & 5.2, the latter @ 580 Hp out of the box @ US $22,599 Retail.

"Ford Performance has taken the technology and hardware developed for the Shelby GT350 Mustang and has created the ultimate naturally aspirated, 5.2L cross-plane crankshaft crate engine. With a rating of 580 horsepower at 7,800 rpm, the new Aluminator 5.2 XS is the most powerful naturally aspirated modular crate engine ever built by Ford Performance. This is the worthy successor of our previous rendition-the "A50XS". Every Aluminator is hand assembled by the same technicians that build the Mustang Cobra Jet drag racing engines. Premium aftermarket components are used to ensure durability like; unique Manley® connecting rods, ARP® rod bolts, Mahle® forged pistons, forged steel crankshaft sprocket, and billet oil pump gears. Unique components developed specifically for the Cobra Jet racing program are used including Cobra Jet short runner-high RPM intake manifold, 1517 CFM dual 65mm Cobra Jet throttle body, and high RPM pulse ring. Ford Performance Engineers developed a balanced combination of high end, 580 horsepower and strong mid-range torque with the Cobra Jet intake manifold, unique camshafts and fully CNC ported GT350 cylinder heads.

• Designed to work with 2015-2017 Mustang GT electronics-custom calibration required!
• 580 Horsepower @ 7,800 rpm
• 445 lb.-ft. Torque @ 4,500 rpm
• 5.2L
• 317 Cubic Inches
• 12:1 Compression Ratio
• Mahle® hard anodized forged pistons with low friction coating
• Unique Manley® H-beam connecting rods with ARP2000® bolts
• Unique Ford Performance M-6303-M52 Forged steel cross-plane crankshaft
• Uses Ford Performance M-6010-M52B Shelby GT350 cylinder block
• Ford Performance M-6675-M52 Shelby GT350 oil pan which features integrated windage and slosh baffles as well as an integrated oil pickup
• Ford Performance M-6600-M50A billet steel gerotor oil pump gear set
• Ford Performance M-9424-M50CJA Cobra Jet tuned intake (will not clear production 2015-2017 hood without modification). Please contact the Ford Performance Techline for more information
• Ford Performance M-9926-CJ65 Cobra Jet dual bore 65mm bore throttle body
• Four-valve-per-cylinder Shelby GT350 fully CNC ported aluminum heads with Roller-finger camshaft followers
• Unique PAC® valve springs
• Ford Performance M-6550-M52 camshafts
• Camshaft specifications:
• Intake camshaft - 14mm lift / 270 degrees duration
• Exhaust camshaft - 14mm lift / 270 degrees duration
• Robust primary timing chains as used on Shelby GT350R
• Low-leak rate variable cam timing (VCT) phasers
• Forged steel crankshaft sprocket
• Ford Performance M-9593-LU47 47 lb. fuel injectors ......."

5.2L ALUMINATOR 5.2 XS CRATE ENGINE| Part Details for M-6007-A52XS | Ford Performance Parts

Crate Engines, Competition Mustang Engines, Competition Drag Racing Engines, Competition Stock Car Engines, Competition Funny Car Engins, Competition Racing Engines - Ford Performance Parts

 

[Friend of Dorothy]

From memory the engine will be ‘based‘ on the Aluminator. It sounds like it will be modified. Maybe it will be stroked to 5.4 as part of the parity procedure with the bigger capacity, albeit pushrod, GM engine. It seems the exact capacity of the GM engine is yet to be determined.

The weight and centre of gravity of the two engines are likely to be different. I guess they will attach weights to the engines to equalise that, as they did with both the Volvos and (I think) Nissans back in the day.

 

[raptor17GT]

Yes the clowns at V8 S/Cs have been referencing a 5.4 "Coyote Crate' Engine, only one slight problem, the much quoted 5.4 Coyote Crate does not exist!

There are two choices - the 5.0 & 5.2, the latter @ 580 Hp out of the box @ US $22,599 Retail.

"Ford Performance has taken the technology and hardware developed for the Shelby GT350 Mustang and has created the ultimate naturally aspirated, 5.2L cross-plane crankshaft crate engine. With a rating of 580 horsepower at 7,800 rpm, the new Aluminator 5.2 XS is the most powerful naturally aspirated modular crate engine ever built by Ford Performance. This is the worthy successor of our previous rendition-the "A50XS". Every Aluminator is hand assembled by the same technicians that build the Mustang Cobra Jet drag racing engines. Premium aftermarket components are used to ensure durability like; unique Manley® connecting rods, ARP® rod bolts, Mahle® forged pistons, forged steel crankshaft sprocket, and billet oil pump gears. Unique components developed specifically for the Cobra Jet racing program are used including Cobra Jet short runner-high RPM intake manifold, 1517 CFM dual 65mm Cobra Jet throttle body, and high RPM pulse ring. Ford Performance Engineers developed a balanced combination of high end, 580 horsepower and strong mid-range torque with the Cobra Jet intake manifold, unique camshafts and fully CNC ported GT350 cylinder heads.

• Designed to work with 2015-2017 Mustang GT electronics-custom calibration required!
• 580 Horsepower @ 7,800 rpm
• 445 lb.-ft. Torque @ 4,500 rpm
• 5.2L
• 317 Cubic Inches
• 12:1 Compression Ratio
• Mahle® hard anodized forged pistons with low friction coating
• Unique Manley® H-beam connecting rods with ARP2000® bolts
• Unique Ford Performance M-6303-M52 Forged steel cross-plane crankshaft
• Uses Ford Performance M-6010-M52B Shelby GT350 cylinder block
• Ford Performance M-6675-M52 Shelby GT350 oil pan which features integrated windage and slosh baffles as well as an integrated oil pickup
• Ford Performance M-6600-M50A billet steel gerotor oil pump gear set
• Ford Performance M-9424-M50CJA Cobra Jet tuned intake (will not clear production 2015-2017 hood without modification). Please contact the Ford Performance Techline for more information
• Ford Performance M-9926-CJ65 Cobra Jet dual bore 65mm bore throttle body
• Four-valve-per-cylinder Shelby GT350 fully CNC ported aluminum heads with Roller-finger camshaft followers
• Unique PAC® valve springs
• Ford Performance M-6550-M52 camshafts
• Camshaft specifications:
• Intake camshaft - 14mm lift / 270 degrees duration
• Exhaust camshaft - 14mm lift / 270 degrees duration
• Robust primary timing chains as used on Shelby GT350R
• Low-leak rate variable cam timing (VCT) phasers
• Forged steel crankshaft sprocket
• Ford Performance M-9593-LU47 47 lb. fuel injectors ......."

5.2L ALUMINATOR 5.2 XS CRATE ENGINE| Part Details for M-6007-A52XS | Ford Performance Parts

Crate Engines, Competition Mustang Engines, Competition Drag Racing Engines, Competition Stock Car Engines, Competition Funny Car Engins, Competition Racing Engines - Ford Performance Parts

shocker, ruling body is not aware of reality haha. Be interesting to see what they come up with in this upgrade, the cars look amazing so hopefully the show will be too.

 

[GT 550]

Showing my ignorance here but does anyone know what engine the Mustangs are currently running? It seems to be carried over from the Falcons but is it a derivative of the FG XR8 5.0 Boss?

 

[Friend of Dorothy]

The current engine comes from Ford Racing/Ford Performance in the USA. It is built solely for racing. I don’t think it is based on any production engine.

 

[DFB5.0]

Showing my ignorance here but does anyone know what engine the Mustangs are currently running? It seems to be carried over from the Falcons but is it a derivative of the FG XR8 5.0 Boss?

As mentioned, the Ford teams use a push-rod Ford Racing/Ford Performance, I think they have distant ties to the old Windsor V8. Variations of this engine layout have powered V8 Supercars since 1993. They are generally hand made by the various teams and known to be extremely expensive. The goal of Gen-3 is eliminate this go with off the shelf crate-engines.

Here is Mark Larkham building one of the current engines.

 

[GT 550]

I like Larko.

V8SC: 'Larko won't be back in 2021'
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[GT 550]

S650 debuted yesterday, looks fantastic . Worth checking out on TV if you haven't seen it on track yet. Qually this morning, race in the afternoon, repeat tomorrow

 

[Friend of Dorothy]

They will soon all look even better, in my opinion, as they switch back to a chrome pony on the grille, loud and proud. The ‘new’ for 2023 black ones do not stand out enough/at all on TV, but only the Waters car had a chrome one fitted for today’s (Saturday) race.

The photo below from today also exemplifies how the pony badge is deliberately attached slightly off-centre on Mustangs to make the badge appear centred. I discovered this fact when attaching stripes to my car.

 

[GT 550]

The photo below from today also exemplifies how the pony badge is deliberately attached slightly off-centre on Mustangs to make the badge appear centred.

It seems to be a matter of where the centre of the pony is perceived as being. The centre of the 'body' seems aligned with the middle of the Ford badge but the distance from that point to the nose is less than to the tip of the tail.

 

[Brisvegas]

These new gen supercar mustangs look awesome . The 7th gen is looking better to me now . Mostert got this race in the bag atm . Liking the whole next gen supercar thing as well . Camaros and Mustangs in battle is killer

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