Mustang EcoBoost 2.3L High Performance Package Priced at $4,995

[Shane361]

Depends on if your into modding or not. To me sure it would be better than a base V8. I mod everything I own. The problem with the mod argument is. As Soon as the GT or GT350 guy slaps boost on their cars. Your right back where you started. I had a big turbo SRT-4 it was a lot of fun beating the stock cobras and z06 corvettes. If you don't take this sh!t personal. There is no right or wrong. Just a whats best for you.

Absolutely! But if you can reliably put down GT350 range HP as per Turbonetics on a 4 cylinder and eat V8's...well that's amazing. But I have yet to see anyone that has done so which is why I ask. If these ecos are built to handle that in stock form....it would be incredible.

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[bluebeastsrt]

Absolutely! But if you can reliably put down GT350 range HP as per Turbonetics on a 4 cylinder and eat V8's...well that's amazing. But I have yet to see anyone that has done so which is why I ask. If these ecos are built to handle that in stock form....it would be incredible.

Just check the fast list. And hang out in the EB section. There is some pretty fast modded EBs on this forum. High 10s-low 11s. That's Hellcat fast. It seams like reliability isn't the issue it once was with the 4 bangers. If I were to buy one. I'd just do tune and exhaust. Run 12s. That would be plenty fast for a DD.

 

[Shane361]

Just check the fast list. And hang out in the EB section. There is some pretty fast modded EBs on this forum. High 10s-low 11s. That's Hellcat fast. It seams like reliability isn't the issue it once was with the 4 bangers. If I were to buy one. I'd just do tune and exhaust. Run 12s. That would be plenty fast for a DD.

If anything I would mod my 18 2.7 Eco F150 and enjoy my procharged 5.0. But i’m Always curious about recent developments.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

I owned a GT and my daughter owned a V6. I've drove both. There was no comparison. in any type of driving. Straight line, Back road, Braking. The V6 was the entry level car back then for a reason.

Picture of her Performance Package or it didn't happen.

Then go tell C&D they're crazy too. The V6 Performance Package beat the 2010 GT (4.6) in the lighting lap despite a 214 MPH governor (for the DS) limiting its top speed on the straights to well below the GT's.

 

[jake_zx2]

So question....wouldn't the the ECO be a better buy when you add the 3K kit that gives it more power than the V8? What are these Ecos going to hold HP wise reliably?

That's another $3k you're adding to a car that's already more expensive just to make it MAYBE as fast as the cheaper car. Dump that same money into the cheaper car PLUS the price difference between the 2, and you'll have a significantly faster car

That being said, I have trouble believing you can make an ecoboost faster than a GT reliably for only $3k

With all due respect, you are just being an asshole.

There are many Ecoboost owners who can afford to drive any car they want but decided on the Ecoboost. Between my wife and I we pull down nearly 200k a year and have no kids. I can buy any fucking car I want and I drive an Ecoboost, and I am proud of it.

So get off your high horse and stay your silly ass in the "GT" section.

You probably had some sort of reason that an Ecoboost suited you better than the GT. But if your reason for buying the car was performance, then with all due respect, you're an idiot

No high horse here, only facts

 

[Billy1]

Tune+ and other companies have built a number of Focus RS's putting out 600 hp. But you have to pull the engine and fortify the block/bottom end. So big numbers are doable-just not from the stock Focus RS/EBM. We are waiting to see if the HPP Mustang has any block/bottom end improvements.

As for the guy above that keeps on slagging off on Ecoboosts, he seems to forget where he came from-a freaking ZX2 Escort!! The only (so-so)good thing about that car was the looks, The engine and everything else about it was garbage. When was the last time anybody saw a ZX-2 on the street? He can bad mouth Ecoboosts all day, but a tuned and intercooled Ecoboost has more mid range and response in traffic than a GT-where 85% of driving is done.

I have had lots of V8 Mustangs and the S550 GT is great, but if Ford didn't sell all those EBM's Ford would not meet CAFE requirements and there would be NO Mustang GT. Or at least at the great price we can buy one now. A GT would start at $50k base and go up from there.

Ford is in the business to make money: that's it-nothing else. Ultimately they don't care what you like/don't like. As long as cash flow is positive and shareholder wealth is maximized Ford is happy.

 

[shogun32]

wouldn't the the ECO be a better buy when you add the 3K kit that gives it more power than the V8?

Of the actual dyno runs people have been making in the last couple months with the latest FP power pack for EB engines, the numbers being bandied about are 305HP (wheel) and 380TQ (wheel) which ballparks roughly (assume 16% drivetrain loss) to 354 HP (crank) and 440 TQ (crank) but the party is over by 3000 RPM and decreases significantly from there. Notice how FP doesn't actually post useful numbers. I don't know who they are trying to kid by being coy.

If you assume this HPO edition with it's bigger turbo if nothing else makes the same max figures but crucially keeps the curve going for another 2000 RPM (the literature seen so far would seem to indicate) then sure it might make 420HP (crank) at 5000rpm. On paper this is equivalent to the current GT. That doesn't make it automatically faster. It matters how it makes it's power and how well it's transmitted to the ground, and the section of the RPM band being employed during the timed run.

Outright engine output is the least important aspect of performance on anything that isn't a drag strip. Suspension, chassis dynamics, and power delivery characteristics are far more important in the other pursuits. As a quick example, suppose the HPO's abundant torque overwhelms the tires and twists the chassis in a particular corner such that you have to back out of the throttle or use a different gear leading to a sector time that is slower, than that measured with the exact same car with 30 lb/ft less torque where you could use a more ideal gear and keep more throttle applied. It may only be 0.1 second but those add up over the course of a lap. Similarly for Autocross (depending on layout) where the HPO/EB torque delivery is just not as suitable as the GT in otherwise identical car, and despite the EB's handling advantage due to less weight over the front.

Bench racing spec sheets is just a colossal waste of time. But it's a very popular activity on forums.

 

[shogun32]

but a tuned and intercooled Ecoboost has more mid range and response in traffic than a GT

I guess I'll have to instrument my cars and compare but I don't agree with your assertion. The other confounding variable is that the suspension between my GT and EB are not the same and that is huge factor in any comparison. What I will say though is that I can get deeper into the throttle on the EB than the GT and still maintain my "comfort" level.

 

[Billy1]

Shogun 32, you should give it try and let us know how it works out. I assume your EB is tuned/upgraded intercooler. Try the 2 cars side by side(get a 2nd driver that is at least equal to you in driving ability) from say 2000 rpm in 2nd gear, then later in 3rd gear from 2,000 rpm and let us know the results.

I am referring to a gen 3 Coyote Mustang. The top end is sweet, but sometimes the mid-range doesn't feel as responsive as a tuned EB. Might be my imagination, but driving both cars back to back that is the feeling I get.

Is your Rabbit GTI a 83/84?

 

[w3rkn]

You keep kick ass and taking names there lil buckaroo. Maybe one day you'll also figure out. Not everyone is disrespecting you personally. Just because they have different opinion than you. If you cant understand why Ford doesn't just slap the same price tags on all Mustangs. I don't know what else to tell ya. Cute meme by the way.

Correct, then why are you arguing with Maggneto? He is the one, who is pointing out exactly what you said (about disrespecting), but towards another. So why are you not defending Maggneto, instead of accusing him? Which is bizzaro behavior …

Specially when Maggneto is spot on... about certain People constantly be-little'ing those who like turbos engines & mock them in every single post. Then hides behind some veil that v8 cost more, so those who drive them are superior people.


My $54k BMW was a turbo... and I ate threw mustangs. Perhaps that is why certain people are angry about turbos... and lighter more nimble cars.

 

[w3rkn]

Of the actual dyno runs people have been making in the last couple months with the latest FP power pack for EB engines, the numbers being bandied about are 305HP (wheel) and 380TQ (wheel) which ballparks roughly (assume 16% drivetrain loss) to 354 HP (crank) and 440 TQ (crank) but the party is over by 3000 RPM and decreases significantly from there. Notice how FP doesn't actually post useful numbers. I don't know who they are trying to kid by being coy.

If you assume this HPO edition with it's bigger turbo if nothing else makes the same max figures but crucially keeps the curve going for another 2000 RPM (the literature seen so far would seem to indicate) then sure it might make 420HP (crank) at 5000rpm. On paper this is equivalent to the current GT. That doesn't make it automatically faster. It matters how it makes it's power and how well it's transmitted to the ground, and the section of the RPM band being employed during the timed run.

Outright engine output is the least important aspect of performance on anything that isn't a drag strip. Suspension, chassis dynamics, and power delivery characteristics are far more important in the other pursuits. As a quick example, suppose the HPO's abundant torque overwhelms the tires and twists the chassis in a particular corner such that you have to back out of the throttle or use a different gear leading to a sector time that is slower, than that measured with the exact same car with 30 lb/ft less torque where you could use a more ideal gear and keep more throttle applied. It may only be 0.1 second but those add up over the course of a lap. Similarly for Autocross (depending on layout) where the HPO/EB torque delivery is just not as suitable as the GT in otherwise identical car, and despite the EB's handling advantage due to less weight over the front.

Bench racing spec sheets is just a colossal waste of time. But it's a very popular activity on forums.

Now apply those remarks to non-drivers and A10 GT vs A10 HPO on same autocross, etc...
(18mph ~ 76mph coarse)

 

[AlmostFamous]

Look out guys, keep it up and he'll start posting videos of heavily modded BMWs barely pulling on a GT and saying that everyone in the thread is laughing at you :LMAO:

 

[shogun32]

Try the 2 cars side by side(get a 2nd driver that is at least equal to you in driving ability) from say 2000 rpm in 2nd gear, then later in 3rd gear from 2,000 rpm and let us know the results.

ok, so you mean a rolling drag race. The other key difference is the EB has 3.55 and drive modes whereas the GT has 3.73 differentials but no drive modes, so even if the EB were to garner an early squirt, given my experience driving both, I expect the GT would quickly equalize. Both cars have the canned SCT tunes for 93 octane installed but the EB has the Pirelli tires and the GT the Michelin Pilot 4s. So right there the comparison is a bit suspect.

I'm talking about flogging the cars as fast as I reasonably dare thru some moderately tight curves and narrow, no shoulder twisty 2-lane. I can hustle the EB thru it's paces faster and with less anxiety than the GT even though I can accelerate harder out of them in the GT and achieve higher terminal velocity. I just can't carry all that extra speed (let alone the same entry speed) into the next series of corners without soiling the upholstery. This is where the Camaro shines, I can drive it at least as hard as the EB with comfortable margin to spare. I haven't timed the runs made in the GTI but I can easily say my shit-eating grin is wider when piloting that car despite the lack of tire grip compared to the others. The GTI engine doesn't have near the power of the EB but the entire package is pure FUN.

I am referring to a gen 3 Coyote Mustang. The top end is sweet, but sometimes the mid-range doesn't feel as responsive as a tuned EB.

You're not wrong. the I4 feels like it has more instant torque below say 4000. I'd have to overlay dyno traces to determine precisely.

Is your Rabbit GTI a 83/84?

Nope. All my cars are 2019s.

 

[jake_zx2]

As for the guy above that keeps on slagging off on Ecoboosts, he seems to forget where he came from-a freaking ZX2 Escort!! The only (so-so)good thing about that car was the looks, The engine and everything else about it was garbage. When was the last time anybody saw a ZX-2 on the street? He can bad mouth Ecoboosts all day, but a tuned and intercooled Ecoboost has more mid range and response in traffic than a GT-where 85% of driving is done.

I actually still have said ZX2. It was an excellent first car and a great gas-saver, not very good at pretty much anything else, thus why I don't try to compare it to performance cars. Hell, I think you're even giving it more than it deserves saying it looked good... it looks like crap! In fact, that's the car that taught me that you can make your inferior car as fast as you want, but it's still going to be an inferior car. That's the car that taught me to stop wasting money on cars when you can start off with a better base that still fits your needs for the same cost. And that's the reason that I advise anyone who's looking for a performance car to just buy a GT or a GT350... saves them a lot of time and money from trying to be a car that they just can't. Only reason I keep that car around is because it's just not worth it... I have a sentimental attachment to that car, and considering that I'd probably have to pay to get rid of it while it costs me nothing to hang onto it, I just keep it to beat the shit out of and experiment with new avenues of modification (building a relatively high-hp engine on the side, made custom interior parts, experimented with different aspects of suspension tuning... that car taught me a lot, and on the regular occurrence that I did break it, I didn't care because it isn't worth anything and has no mechanical significance to me)

Also, when we're talking performance, "midrange in traffic" means nothing in the conversation

 

[shogun32]

Now apply those remarks to non-drivers and A10 GT vs A10 HPO on same autocross, etc...

You find us an A10 HPO and an event to run both cars and we can all revel in the pseudo-scientific outcomes.

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