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Miata's are really cool. Unfortunately for me my only "behind the wheel" experience was to determine if I could even drive one. The steering wheel sits in between my legs, with my right knee hanging over the shifter. I also can't see straight ahead because my eyes are in line with the windshield frame.
I have the same problem... that’s why I bought it for my wife. I love driving it, but I hate sitting in it, so I couldn’t justify getting myself one lol

But regardless, horsepower makes VERY little difference on a more technical track (think Laguna Seca) so with the Mach 1 most likely handling better (same tires, but 400lbs less weight), I’d imagine it’ll be able to make up those minor horsepower advantages in the turns. It’ll be interesting to see what kind of lap times each one can put down at Laguna Seca with Randy Pobst behind the wheel





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Per Jim Owens, the Mach 1 will be “very, very close to the GT500 on a short road course”

Now, I know Jim has said some... interesting... things in the past, but I can honestly believe this, and it gives me hope that Ford really put in work with the Mach 1 suspension tuning now that they aren’t worried about stepping on the GT350’s toes

https://www.motor1.com/news/449932/2021-mach-1-close-gt500-track/
Seems like the headline has been "corrected" to state that the author meant the GT350, not the GT500. That kind of makes more sense to me. That said, they didn't bother to update any of the body of the article to make it consistent with the headline. Hmm
 
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That’s an... interesting... correction. You would think they would specify the GT350’s advantage on SHORT tracks considering its perceived handling advantage, with the Mach 1 being more equal on longer tracks.

Methinks Jim meant what he said, but Ford marketing didn’t want a chance of it interfering with GT500 sales... you know, since they’re still selling that car
 

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It would be pretty hard for the Mach 1 to make up for the 280hp it lacks from the GT500.
Although not that hard. And the Mach 1 does have the 6 speed Tremec.......hmmm.
 
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Not too hard on a small track, where by the time the GT500 catches traction, the braking zone for the next turn is already straight ahead :shrug:
 

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Apologies for going off-topic here a little, but this pic flooded back a lot of memories for me. My brother and I had this exact track setup. A lot of cold Maine winter hours were spent "at the track" when we were young boys...
My brother has been gone for over 27 years, but seems like yesterday we were racing our AFX cars.
Thanks for posting this, Buckwampum!
OK... I'm done...getting watery eyed now.
 

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I remember when the G Plus cars came out..... Wow, what a difference..... kinda like the S550..... hmmmmm?
 

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Apologies for going off-topic here a little, but this pic flooded back a lot of memories for me. My brother and I had this exact track setup. A lot of cold Maine winter hours were spent "at the track" when we were young boys...
My brother has been gone for over 27 years, but seems like yesterday we were racing our AFX cars.
Thanks for posting this, Buckwampum!
OK... I'm done...getting watery eyed now.
Glad you liked it! I had a slightly larger track, circa 1976, and my older brother and I just about wore it out in the long Adirondack winters where we grew up.

However, we were pikers compared to my brother's friend Albert, who had a mega-spread setup, that took up his whole basement. It was one of those ones where you had to go hands and knees under the platform and then you stood up in the center, while the track was all around you. Albert was a great kid, we played over there for hours and he was always such a great host. His dad was an engineer and had modified the AFX cars so that they would rip down the track. His set-up had 20'-plus straights and you had to really watch the throttle or at the upcoming corner, you would launch your car into the basement wall and at that speed, it was like a wreck at LeMans, where the car was destroyed....

Sorry you lost your brother, but it sounds like you've got great memories of him. When someone remembers you, you never really die.
 

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I’d imagine something like Laguna Seca would suffice... as opposed to somewhere like VIR, where the GT500 would clearly have the advantage
Laguna gt500 will be way faster.
It is all 90deg turns accellerate brake accelerate. 2 straights going up so 300 hp more will help a lot.
I think it will be at least 2 or 3sec faster IMO.
While sonoma ...well sonoma is another story..
Mach1 60k plus the obvious mark up...
A mustang starts to cost just a little too high
 
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Laguna gt500 will be way faster.
It is all 90deg turns accellerate brake accelerate. 2 straights going up so 300 hp more will help a lot.
I think it will be at least 2 or 3sec faster IMO.
While sonoma ...well sonoma is another story..
Mach1 60k plus the obvious mark up...
A mustang starts to cost just a little too high
Sonoma would also be a good one. I do think the Mach could hang at Laguna Seca though. It’s all low speed 90° turns like you said, where the Mach will have the advantage. The straights aren’t THAT long, and because the turns are low speed, traction on corner exit will be an issue for the GT500. I guess we’ll know for sure when someone finally runs a Mach 1 or a GT500 around LS ‍:shrug:

But something I just thought about... he may very well have been talking about the Mach 1 HP vs the base GT500 without HP, in which case I can DEFINITELY see it being EXTREMELY close. I mean, at that point, the Mach has probably about a 300lb weight advantage and a SIGNIFICANT advantage in tire compound, so that could definitely close the gap on a handling-focused track
 

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Instead, why can’t we have Ford saying that it laps significantly faster than a camaro ss 1le? That’s what people actually want to hear.
Cause they cant. Cause 1le is faster right now.
An ss1 le is faster than 350. Costing 20k less
 
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Nah, it’ll definitely be faster than a 1LE. The only problem is that it costs $10k more
 

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