Mach 1 a higher performer than the 350?

[matthewr87]

Why does the performance question really matter? I think we should all just be happy that Ford is still releasing V8 Mustangs in 2021 and beyond. Even if they have to repurpose a bunch of GT350 and Bullit parts it seems like a no brainer. Mustang fans get a "new" model and Ford saves development costs.

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[DrumReaper]

Why does the performance question really matter? I think we should all just be happy that Ford is still releasing V8 Mustangs in 2021 and beyond. Even if they have to repurpose a bunch of GT350 and Bullit parts it seems like a no brainer. Mustang fans get a "new" model and Ford saves development costs.

I agree with most of that but for $60k, performance has to matter...

 

[stanglife]

Question for you guys - Will the mach have the 350 knuckles/spindles? The fact that the brakes are different makes me think it does not.

Im torn because while I'm sure anyone buying a Mach would love to have every top-tier component available...As a 350 owner, I selfishly still want some of these things to be 350 only. I'm not afraid to admit that a small part of the ownership to me is exclusivity.

 

[DrumReaper]

Question for you guys - Will the mach have the 350 knuckles/spindles? The fact that the brakes are different makes me think it does not.

Im torn because while I'm sure anyone buying a Mach would love to have every top-tier component available...As a 350 owner, I selfishly still want some of these things to be 350 only. I'm not afraid to admit that a small part of the ownership to me is exclusivity.

I don’t see why the Mach would get the 350 knuckles... the 350 knuckles would mean more costs. An easy way to find out should be to look at the wheel sizes and offsets.

The other thing that will spare the exclusivity is the 2020 350R knuckles likely won’t exist on another chassis after the 2020 R dies.

 

[shogun32]

The other thing that will spare the exclusivity is the 2020 350R knuckles likely won’t exist on another chassis after the 2020 R dies.

I believe I read somewhere that the knuckle is from the GT500. It was trickled down to the lesser car since it was helpful.

 

[derklink]

Looks like news just dropped that the Mach 1 Handling Package will be available with the automatic due to high demand https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/mach-1-options-prices.149240/page-14#post-3053720 I'd bet two fiddy that this will outrun the GT350, depending on the type of track. GT350 will remain feeling more visceral and more special to drive. Both great cars, times are good for us enthusiasts. Let's embrace it as long as we can!

 

[DrumReaper]

Looks like news just dropped that the Mach 1 Handling Package will be available with the automatic due to high demand https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/mach-1-options-prices.149240/page-14#post-3053720 I'd bet two fiddy that this will outrun the GT350, depending on the type of track. GT350 will remain feeling more visceral and more special to drive. Both great cars, times are good for us enthusiasts. Let's embrace it as long as we can!

You might wanna review the power chart here and the RPMs power and torque is made and how that extends over higher RPMs.

It will be a good comparo.

 

[DrumReaper]

I believe I read somewhere that the knuckle is from the GT500. It was trickled down to the lesser car since it was helpful.

The 350R knuckle oriented from the 500, however they’re not interchangeable.

The 350R knuckle is not the same as the 2020 GT350 either.

 

[derklink]

You might wanna review the dump chart here and the RPMs power and torque is made and how that extends over higher RPMs.

It will be a good comparo.

Agreed. Am sure we'll see some direct comparison tests next year. Mach 1 HP Auto vs. 350R, the Shelby should still have a leg up in the corners, whereas Mach 1 vs regular GT350 should be pretty close. In a straight line, Mach 1 Auto should beat both.

 

[sotek2345]

Agreed. Am sure we'll see some direct comparison tests next year. Mach 1 HP Auto vs. 350R, the Shelby should still have a leg up in the corners, whereas Mach 1 vs regular GT350 should be pretty close. In a straight line, Mach 1 Auto should beat both.

Depends on the length of the straight line. GT350 still has a power/weight advantage (and maybe reduced drag with the different/lower front end - not sure on this). On a longer run that would overcome the gearing/shifting advantage of the A10. The question is what is that length.

 

[JAJ]

I have no idea which version of the S550 platform will perform better on paper, but I tend toward believing that Ford Performance products deliver better track performance than Ford products. The FP engineers report up into a product organization that has "Performance" in its name, and the Ford engineers report up to an organization that is primarily focused on high-volume consumer products.

As an example of how this plays out, there are some FP aftermarket parts, like the M-5A460-M rear toe-link spherical bearing, that are listed for every S550 Mustang, except the GT350. Why? Because the GT350 comes with them from the factory. The FP cars have many changes the look small but that add up to better performance. Another example is the front knuckles.

Presumably, one of the engineering goals for the chassis was to minimize front camber loss under cornering. When you're pulling north of 1G, the lateral load on the bottom of the wheel causes things to bend, which reduces front camber from the static setting. To counter this bending effect, the OEM wheels are very stiff (which makes the aluminum ones heavier, but that's the price of progress). Then there's what the wheels are attached to. The regular Mustang's cast-iron knuckle with its spindle and bearing setup is too flexible, so FP developed a cast aluminum knuckle that takes a hub borrowed from a truck. Taken together, the connection between the tire and the chassis is more rigid, delivering less parasitic camber loss.

These are just two examples of choices that the FP engineering team made to produce the GT350 (and the GT500 and the GT, etc). The other area where things are different is in the electronic calibrations. FP's version of AdvanceTrak is much more forgiving than the regular Ford version. And again, those differences flow through into ABS, engine tuning, and so on.

How much of this engineering flowed across to the Mach 1 remains to be seen - the engineering's already paid for, but the special parts come with a cost. We'll see.

 

[K4fxd]

Put some 4.09 gears in the 350 and the low RPM advantage of the coyote goes away.

 

[LSchicago]

Will not be surprised to see an A10 Mach outrun a 350 in the quarter mile but who cares?

Considering a 460HP GT with A10 can outrun the GT350 in the 1/4, the Mach 1 A10 should have no trouble doing it either.

 

[QCGoose]

Put some 4.09 gears in the 350 and the low RPM advantage of the coyote goes away.

I wish the 350 came with at least that short of gearing, if not even shorter. For an engine with such a stratospheric redline and a powerband that favors the top-half, 3.73s are waaaaay too tall.

 

[stanglife]

Considering a 460HP GT with A10 can outrun the GT350 in the 1/4, the Mach 1 A10 should have no trouble doing it either.

And again - who cares?

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