[Locked due to politics] Student debt cancelation. Seems there are strong opinions against it from some.

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I have not read all the posts but have read some of yours. You state level playing field examples sometimes and sometimes you dont. I dont agree with student debt forgiveness and I, my parents, owe student loans along with what I have paid. I actually dont currently work in a field requiring my degree since I work for myself. The way taxes are spent are already bullshit. Forgiving certain peoples loans because of their poor decisions wont help. Everyone says "their" tax money because it is "their" tax money. It all goes into a big pot and mixes in and then gets spent. It should be spent on infrastructure, defense, etc. that ALL tax payers benefit from. Paying back student loans only benefits part of the tax payers which is bullshit. If they want to forgive student loans, go setup a gofundme account so that people who willingly want to help others can and the ones like me who dont want to bail others out of their poor decisions can opt out. That I would support.
So we are back to if I cant benefit form it then no one should mentality. seem the biggest problem most have with it isnt the tax money being spent but its the Im not getting part of the pie so no one should either.





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So we are back to if I cant benefit form it then no one should mentality. seem the biggest problem most have with it isnt the tax money being spent but its the Im not getting part of the pie so no one should either.
You are actually correct. If its coming from money that I worked for that I already didnt want taken from me and already isnt being spent like it needs to I damn sure dont want it being wasted forgiving ignorant decisions. Again you are trying to make the people against it look selfish. Those against it arent against it because people are benefitting and they arent. If you and I put $100.00 each into a bowl that is to be spent on me and you but the bowl decides to give you $75 dollars back because it feels bad for you but doesnt give me anything so now we only have $125 being split benefitting us. You are getting 50% benefit, Im getting 50%, at a cost of 80% to me and 20% to you. How fuq'd up is that? And I had no say so in it
 
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You are actually correct. If its coming from money that I worked for that I already didnt want taken from me and already isnt being spent like it needs to I damn sure dont want it being wasted forgiving ignorant decisions. Again you are trying to make the people against it look selfish. Those against it arent against it because people are benefitting and they arent. If you and I put $100.00 each into a bowl that is to be spent on me and you but the bowl decides to give you $75 dollars back because it feels bad for you but doesnt give me anything so now we only have $125 being split benefitting us. You are getting 50% benefit, Im getting 50%, at a cost of 80% to me and 20% to you. How fuq'd up is that? And I had no say so in it
Well what you just said is sorta the definition of selfish actually.

" devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others. "

IM not trying to make anyone seem that way yall doing it on your own.

People would be much happier if they learned money is not the be all end all of life.

but yeah seems all anyone against it can come up with are two statements "my tax money" and "others poor decisions" That second one gets me. Just because someone hits a hard patch or needs help dose not make them a poor decision maker. Shit happens.

Like I said I work in the medical field with yalls mentality every person who comes in that smoked or drank or in general MADE POOR HEALTH DESICIONS should be left to die. Yeah so like you said where do we draw the line. How you feeling about YOUR tax money being spent on people to birth their children and save their lives .... yeah but wont speak up on that cause dont want to look like an ass. Its the same thing so they should all be left to die because of their decisions?

Other things happen in life other then poor financial choices. Houses burn, jobs get lost, pandemics happen. So all those people should be just screwed because of other events? Yeah selfish man very selfish.

Not exactly sure why others would wish economic hard ships on others. But one thing i can promise yall sit in your ivory palaces now. If the day comes and I hope it does not, and a hardship befalls you. I can promise youll be in the same lines with a hand out wanting help. Your not gonna just go slink off into the bushes and die because you dont feel you should use tax dollars.
 
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Well I think this horse is dead. conversation is on repeat LOL. off to the next thing.
 

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Well what you just said is sorta the definition of selfish actually.

" devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others. "

IM not trying to make anyone seem that way yall doing it on your own.

People would be much happier if they learned money is not the be all end all of life.

but yeah seems all anyone against it can come up with are two statements "my tax money" and "others poor decisions" That second one gets me. Just because someone hits a hard patch or needs help dose not make them a poor decision maker. Shit happens.

Like I said I work in the medical field with yalls mentality every person who comes in that smoked or drank or in general MADE POOR HEALTH DESICIONS should be left to die. Yeah so like you said where do we draw the line. How you feeling about YOUR tax money being spent on people to birth their children and save their lives .... yeah but wont speak up on that cause dont want to look like an ass. Its the same think so they should all be left to die because of their decisions?

Other things happen in life other then poor financial choices. Houses burn, jobs get lost, pandemics happen. So all those people should be just screwed because of other events? Yeah selfish man very selfish.

Not exactly sure why others would wish economic hard ships on others. But one thing i can promise yall sit in your ivory palaces now. If the day comes and I hope it does not, and a hardship befalls you. I can promise youll be in the same lines with a hand out wanting help. Your not gonna just go slink off into the bushes and die because you dont feel you should use tax dollars.
You again are adding different scenarios assuming the same outcome. You dont know me and I dont know you. I donate money, items, etc all the time. But you know what? I, MYSELF, make MY choice to donate MY money to. I dont take yours or your neighbors and donate it for you without your consent. I promise you I dont believe wealth is happiness. I know this and I preach this. Again, I am all for helping others. If you want to pay someones student debt, I have absolutely no problems with it. If you want to stand on a street corner and hand your money out to all the people who walk by for 30 mins. I again have no problem. If I did, that would be selfish.
 

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Well what you just said is sorta the definition of selfish actually.

" devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others. "

IM not trying to make anyone seem that way yall doing it on your own.

People would be much happier if they learned money is not the be all end all of life.

but yeah seems all anyone against it can come up with are two statements "my tax money" and "others poor decisions" That second one gets me. Just because someone hits a hard patch or needs help dose not make them a poor decision maker. Shit happens.

Like I said I work in the medical field with yalls mentality every person who comes in that smoked or drank or in general MADE POOR HEALTH DESICIONS should be left to die. Yeah so like you said where do we draw the line. How you feeling about YOUR tax money being spent on people to birth their children and save their lives .... yeah but wont speak up on that cause dont want to look like an ass. Its the same thing so they should all be left to die because of their decisions?

Other things happen in life other then poor financial choices. Houses burn, jobs get lost, pandemics happen. So all those people should be just screwed because of other events? Yeah selfish man very selfish.

Not exactly sure why others would wish economic hard ships on others. But one thing i can promise yall sit in your ivory palaces now. If the day comes and I hope it does not, and a hardship befalls you. I can promise youll be in the same lines with a hand out wanting help. Your not gonna just go slink off into the bushes and die because you dont feel you should use tax dollars.
If your expecting everyone to share Socialist views, your definitely wrong. America is sick of people claiming the "Victim" or privealiged mentality expecting the Government to bail them out everytime they make a bad decision or their feelings get hurt.
I personally think the Moderator needs to delete this post for it is Non-Productive in a Car Forum.
 
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If your expecting everyone to share Socialist views, your definitely wrong. America is sick of people claiming the "Victim" or privealiged mentality expecting the Government to bail them out everytime they make a bad decision or their feelings get hurt.
I personally think the Moderator needs to delete this post for it is Non-Productive in a Car Forum.
Well that is why its in an OFF topic lounge area. The whole idea of off topic is that it is off the topic of cars.

and your last sentence is funny because you are doing exactly what you say others are wrong for. your feelings are hurt so you expect a moderator to fix it for you LOL
 

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Like I said I have no problem helping others. I donate to others in need. If you come to me with your new nike shoes, iphone 12, and nails done but ask me for money to help buy your kids Christmas, Ill send you down the road in a heartbeat. If I see you doing everything you can do provide and its not working, Ill give you the clothes off my back. 2 things here Ill restate. One- the decision to give or not will be mine. All the donations made will be mine. Two- I would bet that the majority recieving the forgiveness would be of my first example. Hence another reason Im against it
 
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You again are adding different scenarios assuming the same outcome.
As are you, what you do with your money and what I do with my money is of course up to us. LIke it or hate it we live in a world where countries need money and that is done through taxation. Once you pay taxes it is no longer your money it is the peoples money . And that money is used for the betterment of the people weather you or I agree with it or not. We all benefit from tax money one way or another.
 

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As are you, what you do with your money and what I do with my money is of course up to us. LIke it or hate it we live in a world where countries need money and that is done through taxation. Once you pay taxes it is no longer your money it is the peoples money . And that money is used for the betterment of the people weather you or I agree with it or not. We all benefit from tax money one way or another.
Woah I agree with you! I believe in taxes 100%. You said it, Ill bold it. We are all supposed to benefit from the taxes. I am not against paying taxes at all. I, however, am against ways taxes are spent. Most is wasted.
 

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Well that is why its in an OFF topic lounge area. The whole idea of off topic is that it is off the topic of cars.

and your last sentence is funny because you are doing exactly what you say others are wrong for. your feelings are hurt so you expect a moderator to fix it for you LOL
It took a few post but we all now know who you are.
 

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Want free tuition EARN IT! I joined the military at 17. Ive done 3 tours overseas to the middle east and have zero college debt.
 
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Woah I agree with you! I believe in taxes 100%. You said it, Ill bold it. We are all supposed to benefit from the taxes. I am not against paying taxes at all. I, however, am against ways taxes are spent. Most is wasted.
See IM not so hard to get along with LOL. And yes the amount of waste of money, tax and otherwise in this country is ridiculous.
 

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This is perhaps the “Most Fuc*ed up thread on this forum. I have (7) kids! And I work my a$$ Off to give them the education they want! I don’t ask for handouts or bailouts, their My Kids! If you want the education, pay for it! If it’s your investment in yourself, pay for it! It’s really that simple... If you want a Mustang or Shelby, Pay For It! Don’t get one in hopes that Ford will somehow forgive your loan!
 
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