[Locked due to politics] Student debt cancelation. Seems there are strong opinions against it from some.

[Jmtoast]

they need to beef up the grant program. I went to a community college on the governments dime to get established. Then transferred to UM and that was paid for with grants and my military benefits. Didn't work or spend a dime of my own money. My income was very low and I qualified for decent grants. Easy enough to raise that income level to qualify and increase the grant amounts to cover the crazy tuition costs. But something to think about. Once The gov gets involved heavily the first sign of fraud or waste they will come and regulate the shit of colleges. And that will happen.

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[Briebee72]

I am genuinely interested in how many of you that are saying people should pay their own debts actually paid their own way through school? I mean paid 100% your own way through school. no help at all zero, no grants, parents, job subsidized no help at all you footed 100% of the bill.

Because I'm seeing a lot of I did it, I paid my way so should you... then its followed up with my g.i. bill paid it, my work paid it, a grant paid it, my parents paid it and so on. seem lots of people here saying people shouldn't be helped and do it on their own had plenty of help themselves from other people. They didn't actually do it themselves.

Hell one comment said people need to learn to do things for them selves like he did , he suffered and worked hard to "pay his own way through school" then followed it up with his job paid 90% of it LOL... funny how most of you had some form of help from others and even from tax payers (grants, g.i. bills, and yes even those work funded tuitions cause they get tax breaks for that) yet everyone else is lazy and just looking for hand outs and there's no way others should help them or tax money should. hypocrites

My point is unless you paid 100% of the bill yourself then you got help from others and even from tax money but now you are against others getting the same help. what the hell is the difference between a 10k grant or a 10k forgiveness? both lower the bill the same amount and both come from the government and tax payers but one you are ok with and the other you are not. makes no sense.

 

[FreePenguin]

I did.
My friend also is finishing his 2nd bachelor degree, paid on his hard work.

guy is like 25 now as human resource regional manager for a hospital company Making almost 6 digits.

no loans, just worked as he went to college and busted his balls. He’s also black, in case someone here wants to toss in race disparities at some point. He’s done great!

I had militsry gi bill to help me out. So whether or not you consider that “on my own” is to be determined by your opinion.

funny, I don’t even use my college. I make more money working for government than utilizing my schooling in anyway.

he goes off on people who support or ask for forgiveness on loans, we’ve had the talk and he’s 100% self made and feels everyone should do it.

He’s proof

 

[Briebee72]

I did.
My friend also is finishing his 2nd bachelor degree, paid on his hard work.

guy is like 25 now as human resource regional manager for a hospital company Making almost 6 digits.

no loans, just worked as he went to college and busted his balls.

Awesome, I know a few have but I think you see my point for the responses here. At least the point im making.

 

[FreePenguin]

Awesome, I know a few have but I think you see my point for the responses here. At least the point im making.

No. Lol I’m the 100% anti to your logic. I believe we should not forgive anything, you are what you make of yourself. You pull debt you live with it.

expecting me or any other member to lose a dollar to pay for someone else’s mistake is a huge no no to me. It’s immoral to me.

Like I mentioned, if they did discharge they should have some social stigma to punish them. Permenantly defer them from ever getting a loan or mortgage unless they repaid all their student loans etc that they charged off.

I really want a strong stance on either pay your debt, or live with it as consequence of a bad decision. No saying sorry I don’t want to pay, please erase it all.
Meanwhile keep the degree and make $$$ with or not depending on what stupid degree they pursued based on dumb dreams.

ie. I wanna be an artist.

okay.

I just hate the whole cancel movement in every way, and pretty much against everything this generation is going for I am 30, but people I went to college with was a few years younger and I was shunned for my opinions on these topics.

in fact I was told because I served by a professor doesn’t merit me to have college ride any more than a dude who just wants to go to college.

she had an entire class against the military riders it was a very badlecture. Stating everyone should have equal opportunity without doing anything to deserve it. Stating they should have same benefits without serving as they may be against it or ineligible.

irony, is I went to a military affiliated college supposedly priding themselves on hard work and dedication and rewarding hard work. Yet the professors want socialism.

/endrant.

Ps. There’s dudes with beards and hairy legs wearing wigs and dresses around my campus.
Yeah nothing to see here move along.

no longer posting here as I have nothing further to post, I just can’t post anything positive, call me the a-hole in your thread title, Atleast I pay my debts on my shoulders. We should shun the people pushing your movement.

 

[Briebee72]

No. Lol I’m the 100% anti to your logic. I believe we should not forgive anything, you are what you make of yourself. You pull debt you live with it.

expecting me or any other member to lose a dollar to pay for someone else’s mistake is a huge no no to me. It’s immoral to me.

Like I mentioned, if they did discharge they should have some social stigma to punish them. Permenantly defer them from ever getting a loan or mortgage unless they repaid all their student loans etc that they charged off.

I really want a strong stance on either pay your debt, or live with it as consequence of a bad decision. No saying sorry I don’t want to pay, please erase it all.
Meanwhile keep the degree and make $$$ with or not depending on what stupid degree they pursued based on dumb dreams.

ie. I wanna be an artist.

okay.

I just hate the whole cancel movement in every way, and pretty much against everything this generation is going for I am 30, but people I went to college with was a few years younger and I was shunned for my opinions on these topics.

in fact I was told because I served by a professor doesn’t merit me to have college ride any more than a dude who just wants to go to college.

she had an entire class against the military riders it was a very badlecture. Stating everyone should have equal opportunity without doing anything to deserve it. Stating they should have same benefits without serving as they may be against it or ineligible.

irony, is I went to a military affiliated college supposedly priding themselves on hard work and dedication and rewarding hard work. Yet the professors want socialism.

/endrant.

Ps. There’s dudes with beards and hairy legs wearing wigs and dresses around my campus.
Yeah nothing to see here move along.

no longer posting here as I have nothing further to post, I just can’t post anything positive, call me the a-hole in your thread title, Atleast I pay my debts on my shoulders. We should shun the people pushing your movement.

I think your rage against the topic has blinded you to the question I was asking. How is partial loan forgiveness any different then the people who get grants, parents, g.i. bill or work place payment of their loans? They themsleves DID NOT DO IT THEMSELVES!!! They had help as I am guessing you did as well from the military or are you saying you turned down and military help on your loans? If not then you DID NOT 100% pay for your loans and SOMEONE helped you. The exact same thing you are saying others should not have.

MY point I was making I mentioned to you was almost no one here saying others should do it
100% on their own actually did it 100% on their own . so its hypocritical.

I would also say that if an entire class was against your outlook and people alienated you for it then perhaps you are far from correct on your outlook.

But i can respect your opinion and hope we can still have peaceable Mustang conversations in the regular forum

 

[FreePenguin]

My military service as airborne 11b, and Afghanistan deployments and others who risk everything for something.

I don’t think someone who did nothing should get anything/everything....

earn it. I like to believe I did.

But hey what do I know? I had a class of 18-20 year olds and a old hag of a professor who says America’s ways are awful being condescending to those and myself who served the nation they so desperately hate for having a benefit they don’t have.

really was last comment, I will just read here on out.

 

[saleen367]

I can't comment in depth because I am indeed a dick and have no issue telling someone about personal responsibility.

 

[Briebee72]

My military service as airborne 11b, and Afghanistan deployments and others who risk everything for something.

I don’t think someone who did nothing should get anything/everything....

earn it. I like to believe I did.

But hey what do I know? I had a class of 18-20 year olds and a old hag of a professor who says America’s ways are awful being condescending to those and myself who served the nation they so desperately hate for having a benefit they don’t have.

really was last comment, I will just read here on out.

If you missed it in my previous posts my daughter is in the Airforce. I do Understand the pride that comes with service. But with that said it seems from your answers that only those who served seem to be worth anything as you seem to refer to anyone else as freeloaders that havnt done anything. Just because people need help does not mean they are worthless and lazy.

I do apologize if I am mis-understanding your responses and Im only trying to understand your view point not argue.

 

[TexasMetallic5.0]

I worked and went to school. Had some scholarship offers but was young and dumb and didn’t want to move off. I’m not down for paying off anyone’s bills except mine. They might as well go on and cancel everyone’s credit card debt, mortgages and auto loans while they’re at it. They’re just going to wipe the slates clean and nobody is going to have to pay for it and all...yeah, right.
Luckily these types of things to get attention don’t pass and are no more than attempts to pander to their audience.

 

[Jmtoast]

I think your rage against the topic has blinded you to the question I was asking. How is partial loan forgiveness any different then the people who get grants, parents, g.i. bill or work place payment of their loans? They themsleves DID NOT DO IT THEMSELVES!!! They had help as I am guessing you did as well from the military or are you saying you turned down and military help on your loans? If not then you DID NOT 100% pay for your loans and SOMEONE helped you. The exact same thing you are saying others should not have.

MY point I was making I mentioned to you was almost no one here saying others should do it
100% on their own actually did it 100% on their own . so its hypocritical.

I would also say that if an entire class was against your outlook and people alienated you for it then perhaps you are far from correct on your outlook.

But i can respect your opinion and hope we can still have peaceable Mustang conversations in the regular forum

GI bill is a benefit of that specific employment. Isn’t the same as a grant or your parents giving you money.

 

[Crashjr]

The problem, Briebee72, is people are tired of hearing the complaining about people taking loans out that they can not repay, and wanting help for their bad decisions, just like your mortgage example, if you can only afford a $100,000 house, you don't buy a $200,000 house then cry because you are having trouble paying it back. Part of the problem is k-12 education, we don't teach kids what they need, we teach kids to take tests and that they have to go to college to succeed, which is just an out right lie.

And the problem with" you job" example is that those people you are helping are paying for your help, not asking for free help, if you are giving free help, that is on you, also, if you have to quit you job because of student debt their will be someone who will fill it that may have made better decisions and not have crushing student debt.

And yes this is very personal to me because I am tired of always paying my fair share, usually more and then being asked to pay even more, when I made responsible decisions and did not take on crushing debt, started out with on the job training, getting paid to learn a trade/skill.

 

[Arknsawchuck]

I am genuinely interested in how many of you that are saying people should pay their own debts actually paid their own way through school? I mean paid 100% your own way through school. no help at all zero, no grants, parents, job subsidized no help at all you footed 100% of the bill.

Because I'm seeing a lot of I did it, I paid my way so should you... then its followed up with my g.i. bill paid it, my work paid it, a grant paid it, my parents paid it and so on. seem lots of people here saying people shouldn't be helped and do it on their own had plenty of help themselves from other people. They didn't actually do it themselves.

Hell one comment said people need to learn to do things for them selves like he did , he suffered and worked hard to "pay his own way through school" then followed it up with his job paid 90% of it LOL... funny how most of you had some form of help from others and even from tax payers (grants, g.i. bills, and yes even those work funded tuitions cause they get tax breaks for that) yet everyone else is lazy and just looking for hand outs and there's no way others should help them or tax money should. hypocrites

My point is unless you paid 100% of the bill yourself then you got help from others and even from tax money but now you are against others getting the same help. what the hell is the difference between a 10k grant or a 10k forgiveness? both lower the bill the same amount and both come from the government and tax payers but one you are ok with and the other you are not. makes no sense.

Well if you were smart enough to get a job that offers education benefits then isn't that pretty much paying for it yourself. They pay you a smaller salary to get these benefits. I put in 20+ years in the military to get my degree..so yes, I paid for it. All these people you mentioned used such options to pay for school. They didn't go run up a giant bill for some stupid degree and then cry that someone needs to pay for my education. Planning and hard work were used by the people you mentioned.
Plus, since when is it the governments job to pay off anyone's bills, school or otherwise.?

 

[Troutwrangler]

Those who dont want a degree but want a well paying future Im telling you now get a trade school education on fixing electric cars. You'll make bank, cause nome of the old school mechanics are gonna go learn a new trade.

Correct.
But you can also pick any skilled trade... look on a lot of construction sites. Many of the workers are middle aged and will be retiring within the next 5-10 years.
There's a huge opportunity right now for anyone with skills in any aspect of the construction trades, utility company linemen, auto mechanics, etc.
Skilled trades are in desperate need of young workers right now all across the country.

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