Jon Lund Jr. discusses latest rumors about Lund Racing/future of EFI Tuning

[Zelek]

Do tell.

I'll give you a hint. Turbo kit.

Here is another hint from an N/A tune almost 3 years ago:

No matter what you do, a turbo kit currently will not be EPA compliant on the roads due to the way they are set up with one O2 sensor. They are very strict about this up front and let you know in writing.

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[WildHorse]

I'll give you a hint. Turbo kit.

Here is another hint from an N/A tune almost 3 years ago:

3 years ago isn't today. As for turbo kits. That's not LUNDS problem, that's the aftermarket manufacturer's problem. Plenty of OEM turbo vehicles out there that's emissions compliant.

 

[BrianGT2015]

probably not but unless the EPA/CONgress outlaws aftermarket tuning, you can NOT make the logic leap that says "have tune == emissions violation". The EPA can indeed subpeona their sales records and examine every car that has a tune loaded and then cite the CAR OWNER for violations of law. Selling a legal product is not illegal just because the end-user is misusing it. But from an enforcement mechanism is WAY easier to shake down the seller than the buyer. If they go after the buyer, some agents might have to dodge high-velocity lead.

There is no good reason not to generate an EPA-legal tune for any blower/turbo out there or to leave all sensors fully active. You won't necessarily get biggus-dickus awards for output numbers but it would be legal. Whipple and Rousch can do it, so can Lund et. al.

The whole thing though about the EPA-Legal tune it sets people back who do not have the extremely large and deep pockets. It also sets all the improvements made back to the days you want more power, get a bigger motor. 20 years ago you was not going to make a 700 plus HP car on a 5.0. with heat/AC, and all the creature comforts. IF the EPA gets there way it's going to collapse these performance and tuning companies. This is the Liberal government we put into office. It sucks.

 

[Zelek]

3 years ago isn't today. As for turbo kits. That's not LUNDS problem, that's the aftermarket manufacturer's problem. Plenty of OEM turbo vehicles out there that's emissions compliant.

Right because they have to be set up that way to be sold. I'm just answering your first claim about them never turning off O2's.

 

[Nuked]

It doesn't really matter what they do today, it is what they did. Period. The EPA looks at it like this: every tune that was sent out that alters or modifies the existing emissions component is considered a "defeat device". Now, we can argue all day what that constitutes but the reality is the regulations are grey for a reason. It is up to the inspector or person handling the investigation how they choose to interpret it. All regs are setup this way in all different areas of commerce. They will tally up how many "defeat devices" were sold then assess a fine based off of that number. In the regulatory world, changing your practice is not considered an acceptable consequence. Sure, it will buy you some goodwill but it is not going to erase anything that was done in the past by a longshot.

It isn't all that hard to follow the bread crumbs of what transpired over the last few months. First it was the nGauge abruptly "closed down". People said it was due to lack of parts, then it comes out that Lund got looked into. I wonder who eMotion sold the most nGauges to? Lund drops SCT support next. SCT was hit by the EPA not long ago. Ever wonder if calling the SCT a "dead rat" has more to do than just looks?

It is really sad that all this is happening. Technically the "for off-road use only" is still a thing, just the fact the EPA now deems that an "unacceptable reason". I am just trying to be real with everyone and not take any sides or what have you. Like I said before, I would not want to be any of the aftermarket tuners/parts vendors right now. Their lively hood is most certainly on the line.

 

[CJJon]

Since tampering with emission control devices in a vehicle is illegal for anyone (you can't even touch a catalytic converter if it is functioning for example. Not even if you replace it with the exact OEM part), the EPA wants to claim that once a vehicle has a VIN number (and would thus have all the required emission controls installed) it cannot be converted to "off road use" to get around the law because that entails touching emissions control devices. Sure, you can take your car to the track, but don't monkey with the stock cats, O2 sensors, etc...

Problem is, they can indeed do just that. The counter arguments are on shaky ground at best and border on conspiracy at worst.

 

[Nuked]

Since tampering with emission control devices in a vehicle is illegal for anyone (you can't even touch a catalytic converter if it is functioning for example. Not even if you replace it with the exact OEM part), the EPA wants to claim that once a vehicle has a VIN number (and would thus have all the required emission controls installed) it cannot be converted to "off road use" to get around the law because that entails touching emissions control devices. Sure, you can take your car to the track, but don't monkey with the stock cats, O2 sensors, etc...

Problem is, they can indeed do just that. The counter arguments are on shaky ground at best and border on conspiracy at worst.

Your exactly right. I am old enough to remember when the whole "for offroad use only" disclaimer first came about. The market was flooded with test pipes, egr deletes etc. Manufacturers simply slapped this disclaimer on it and all was well. As with anything, it got way out of control (especially once the Chinese goods started pouring in) and here we are.

A little side note. A Subaru vendor recently got levied fines for "defeat devices". One of the DD listed was the popular TGV Delete. For those that don't know, the TGV is a flapper valve between the intake manifold runner and head port. It shuts at low rpm/low load to promote better combustion. Now doesn't that particular part and function sound very familiar to the Mustang world....... Point is, this stuff goes well beyond turning off a CEL.

 

[Atlas1]

The EPA believes a small little car community is what's polluting the air. Really, Lets try power plants and factories...EPA needs to but out and worry about the real problems. Hell, the electric cars they are pushing so hard to create devastate the environment more than the gas burns we drive. Look at the pictures of mines in Africa that have to be dug to get the materials needed for these cars. However, liberals and the "WE LOVE EVERYBODY" crowd does not see or think about that.

You still think this is about air pollution? That’s nice. Do yourself a favor and stop trying to use logic to make sense of it all. This is about power and control. The bureaucracy does not give the slightest fuck about emissions from mustangs or mines in Africa. They just want the power to control all aspects of your life.

 

[CJJon]

You still think this is about air pollution? That’s nice. Do yourself a favor and stop trying to use logic to make sense of it all. This is about power and control. The bureaucracy does not give the slightest fuck about emissions from mustangs or mines in Africa. They just want the power to control all aspects of your life.

Which they currently have. Lamenting about the fact isn't going to change things.

 

[Nuked]

You still think this is about air pollution? That’s nice. Do yourself a favor and stop trying to use logic to make sense of it all. This is about power and control. The bureaucracy does not give the slightest fuck about emissions from mustangs or mines in Africa. They just want the power to control all aspects of your life.

It is about money. The EPA is ran by a Presidential appointee. The President has an agenda that he passes down to the EPA director to follow through with. Doing so requires money, which is raised via the Federal Budget and issuing of fines, licenses etc. People keep bringing the argument up that the racing community contributes little to the air pollution. That is 100% correct, the thing is that is NOT why they are going after us. They want to end ICE, making them less desirable and raking in some cash at the same time goes towards the agenda. Don't forget the OEM's aren't stepping up to back the aftermarket either, because it goes against their own agendas. Lobbyist run this country, and all of this playing out is exactly from that. The EPA knows if it goes after the airlines or mass transit, not only would they have the funds to fight it in court, but it would be an infrastructure disaster. Aftermarket tuning is easy pickings, most cannot afford to fight it and will take a plea deal, pay the fine and go belly up.

 

[Avispa]

A little late to the party for this thread, but Mr. Lund made today's American Spectator.

https://spectator.org/epa-regulatory-police/

 

[CJJon]

A little late to the party for this thread, but Mr. Lund made today's American Spectator.

https://spectator.org/epa-regulatory-police/

Cringy!

Hut! Hut! Hut!

 

[gadgtfreek]

At least they were found compliant, I've been happy with their service, other than having to buy a HP RTD after the death of nGauge.

 

[K4fxd]

At least they were found compliant,

They pulled a rabbit out of a hat there.

 

[Kennysum1]

You still think this is about air pollution? That’s nice. Do yourself a favor and stop trying to use logic to make sense of it all. This is about power and control. The bureaucracy does not give the slightest fuck about emissions from mustangs or mines in Africa. They just want the power to control all aspects of your life.

Lol... What do they want to control? What time I take a shit or go to bed?

This is some delisonal stuff right here.

Believe it or not some people do want to ensure that pollution is reduced. Do I believe looking at tuned cars is the best way to do that... 100% not. One cruise ship puts out more pollution in 1 voyage that all of our cars will with no cats over their entire life combined most likely. Once they get out to sea they can legally burn the nastiest burning fuel imaginable.

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