Sponsored

Jon Lund Jr. discusses latest rumors about Lund Racing/future of EFI Tuning

shogun32

Well-Known Member
Joined
Feb 8, 2019
Threads
89
Messages
14,697
Reaction score
12,225
Location
Northern VA
First Name
Matt
Vehicle(s)
'19 GT/PP, '23 GB Mach1, '12 Audi S5 (v8+6mt)
Vehicle Showcase
2
SMOG is a local problem. It NEVER required federal interference in matters of the individual States. If something is not SPECIFICALLY designated as a matter of Federal jurisdiction the plain language says it belongs to the States. 98% of the Fed does and has abrogated to itself is flatly unConstitutional on it's face. It's just that decades of lies promulgated by public education have removed basic understanding of the American balance of power from the citizenry and from so-called elected officials. And things like the EPA haven't been challenged in court or if they have the cowards in the SC have ruled that Congress can do whatever the hell they want under the rubric of "interstate commerce". So yes we are currently saddled with an overreaching Fed given cover by 9 Justices who can't read.

There is nothing preventing the Senate from drawing up a "treaty" if you will as it relates to nation-wide emissions standards, and each State can choose to sign on or not. But even if they sign, enforcement is strictly a State matter.
Sponsored

 

racingandfishing

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 27, 2015
Threads
6
Messages
705
Reaction score
448
Location
Austin, Texas
Vehicle(s)
2015 Mustang GT PP
Good and just that make sense and need to be enforced. Laws like this in which enforcement will have absolutely no impact on people or the environment are ridiculous. Especially when states should have final say on anything that is not federal law in the constitution. Auto motive laws are not part of the constitution which makes them states responsibilities. The fact that random big government alphabet agencies can now go into states that no emissions laws like FL and bully their citizens around is big government over reach at its finest.
I'm sure you realize there are no federal laws actually in the constitution. It is how the government is set up, what oversights are to be in place, the rights of the people and ensuring laws are not set up that would infringe on those rights - and the right to run catless is not one one of them. They were more concerned with the peoples rights than bragging rights. Thankfully some of those rights have been updated since it was first written, but you might you want to read it some time.

And they do have the right.

Section 3
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/full-text
 

shogun32

Well-Known Member
Joined
Feb 8, 2019
Threads
89
Messages
14,697
Reaction score
12,225
Location
Northern VA
First Name
Matt
Vehicle(s)
'19 GT/PP, '23 GB Mach1, '12 Audi S5 (v8+6mt)
Vehicle Showcase
2
I'm sure you realize there are no federal laws actually in the constitution.
because NOT ONE federal law was to have been written! The SC was put in place to adjudicate disagreements between the States. So if say Ohio wanted to pollute the hell out the Ohio river and Pittsburg said, hey wait a sec, that's not acceptable the 2 States were to have hashed it out privately or with supervision from the SC.

Rather than have dozens of competing standards and bilateral agreements, sure a case for a "national standard" could be made, drawn up and VOTED for in Congress. Except Congress long since abdicated it's responsibility and created the EPA to concoct whatever standards the administration of the day cooks up with such language as "the Secretary shall" thus bypassing Congress. Oh sure, Congress controls the purse but when was the last time Congress did anything but rubberstamp any of the various Agencies' bullsh*t? If instead of the EPA dictating standards to fit their own agenda those had to be hashed out in the House and Senate the results are likely to be VERY different. Nominally you'd have 60% of the individual States agreeing to the terms instead of 50 States getting railroaded by some preening greenies.

By Congress deliberately shirking their responsibility they have over time created this "Federal Gov't" leviathan with Agencies innumerable and large or wholly unaccountable to the People. That was NOT the premise of our Country's founding.
 
Last edited:

racingandfishing

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 27, 2015
Threads
6
Messages
705
Reaction score
448
Location
Austin, Texas
Vehicle(s)
2015 Mustang GT PP
The constitution set up Congress to create those laws with the Supreme Court as the oversight. Not sure how that is so frequently missed.

But maybe you are right, while we are at it we should abolish the FAA and the NTBC as well and remove all laws governing air travel. I'm sure we would all feel safer on our next trip in unregulated air space with no rules governing airline safety!
 

Sponsored

CJJon

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 18, 2020
Threads
34
Messages
3,535
Reaction score
3,810
Location
Port Orchard
Vehicle(s)
2020 Mustang GT/CS Convertible - Race Red
The constitution set up Congress to create those laws with the Supreme Court as the oversight. Not sure how that is so frequently missed.

But maybe you are right, while we are at it we should abolish the FAA and the NTBC as well and remove all laws governing air travel. I'm sure we would all feel safer on our next trip in unregulated air space with no rules governing airline safety!
No, no...we need to keep all those regulations - for the other guy. I want to be able to fly whatever and wherever I damn well want to!
 

K4fxd

Well-Known Member
Joined
Apr 2, 2020
Threads
104
Messages
10,545
Reaction score
8,757
Location
NKY
First Name
Dan
Vehicle(s)
2017 gt, 2002 FXDWG, 2008 C6,
Yeah but this isn't a militia against a militia...the states don't have aircraft carriers, submarines, fighter jets, tanks and an arsenal of missiles and bombs.
It's called the national guard.
 

K4fxd

Well-Known Member
Joined
Apr 2, 2020
Threads
104
Messages
10,545
Reaction score
8,757
Location
NKY
First Name
Dan
Vehicle(s)
2017 gt, 2002 FXDWG, 2008 C6,
But maybe you are right, while we are at it we should abolish the FAA and the NTBC as well and remove all laws governing air travel. I'm sure we would all feel safer on our next trip in unregulated air space with no rules governing airline safety!
The FAA or EPA or whatever agency you want to insert, proposes a "law" then congress votes on it and the Pres signs it or not.

Same laws only with oversite. Call your Senator and ask about some obviously overreaching law and they will throw their hands up and say it's not us, and nothing we can do about it since we didn't vote on it. Gives them an out so this is why it still works this way.
 
OP
OP
BluByeU

BluByeU

M6G SoCal Cruisers
Joined
Apr 2, 2015
Threads
12
Messages
1,446
Reaction score
653
Location
SoCal (Temecula)
First Name
Rob HT
Vehicle(s)
2015 Premium GTPP Recaros & Shaker 401a
Senate confirmed Michael Regan to be the next EPA Administrator today. Article I read stated that he is going to carry out Biden's aggressive climate change agenda. Hold on - here we goooooo!
 

racingandfishing

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 27, 2015
Threads
6
Messages
705
Reaction score
448
Location
Austin, Texas
Vehicle(s)
2015 Mustang GT PP
It's called the national guard.
Now this will really blow this thread up and all pun intended...The National Guard wasn't even able to go to the capital during the riots without permission from the Pentagon. You really think they are going to be involved in a civil war over catless headers!

And per your other post, you really think senators are going to take responsibility for anything that constituents don't like? If they seriously disagreed and though it was over reaching, they could take it up with the Supreme Court. That is how the Constitution designed the system.

https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/full-text
 

Sponsored

K4fxd

Well-Known Member
Joined
Apr 2, 2020
Threads
104
Messages
10,545
Reaction score
8,757
Location
NKY
First Name
Dan
Vehicle(s)
2017 gt, 2002 FXDWG, 2008 C6,
The National Guard wasn't even able to go to the capital during the riots without permission from the Pentagon
Yes, because it is DC

The Ky National Guard is controlled by the Governor, unless the Feds activate them for Foreign duty.


you really think senators are going to take responsibility for anything that constituents don't like? If they seriously disagreed and though it was over reaching, they could take it up with the Supreme Court.
No, they shirked their duties and punted things they think will cause them trouble getting re-elected. Easier to let un-elected people create laws.

The swamp needs to be drained.

If these regulations are to be law of the land let the "lawmakers" vote on them.
 

larr12

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 9, 2020
Threads
13
Messages
828
Reaction score
1,054
Location
USA
First Name
Alberto
Vehicle(s)
2020 Mustang PP1
Now this will really blow this thread up and all pun intended...The National Guard wasn't even able to go to the capital during the riots without permission from the Pentagon. You really think they are going to be involved in a civil war over catless headers!

And per your other post, you really think senators are going to take responsibility for anything that constituents don't like? If they seriously disagreed and though it was over reaching, they could take it up with the Supreme Court. That is how the Constitution designed the system.

https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/full-text
Yes and No. The President of the US is the Commanding General of the DC National Guard. Not the Pentagon. Now, the President delegate the authority to a General, in this case Maj. Gen. William J. Walker. But I dont want to get into more details because it will create a political debate.
 

racingandfishing

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 27, 2015
Threads
6
Messages
705
Reaction score
448
Location
Austin, Texas
Vehicle(s)
2015 Mustang GT PP
Yes and No. The President of the US is the Commanding General of the DC National Guard. Not the Pentagon. Now, the President delegate the authority to a General, in this case Maj. Gen. William J. Walker. But I dont want to get into more details because it will create a political debate.
Fair enough and I agree that I stand corrected. But either way, controlled by the governor as they may be, I don't believe governors or the national guard have the weapons or the willingness to get involved in these types of issues.
 

WildHorse

N/A or GO HOME
Joined
Jun 28, 2017
Threads
217
Messages
8,594
Reaction score
6,650
Location
Home World: CLASSIFIED
First Name
ⓇⒾⒸⓀⓎ ⓈⓅⒶⓃⒾⓈⒽ
Vehicle(s)
'17 S550
Vehicle Showcase
1
There are lots of tuners in my province, one of which is very reputable that I know of. So just curious, what’s to stop all of the US enthusiasts from ordering remote tunes from Canada ? How is the EPA going to track that ? Just a little food for thought.
Well they went after EZ link and they're based in the Cayman Isles. In Canada we have a name like dirtydieselcustom.ca how long before the EPA goes after them as well ?
 

larr12

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 9, 2020
Threads
13
Messages
828
Reaction score
1,054
Location
USA
First Name
Alberto
Vehicle(s)
2020 Mustang PP1
Also, regulations are not laws, are well regulations. Yes, they have the full force and effect of the law but in most cases they can only impose civil penalties/fines.

Also is the Congress that authorized departments and agencies to write regulations or guidances.
Sponsored

 
 




Top