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So when are you guys going to get the additional GPF like us euro 2018+ guys ... ?

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Not surprised under this current administration. But this is just the beginning. Alot more restrictions in every area of our lives is just around the corner.. start prepping now!!!
 

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Not surprised under this current administration. But this is just the beginning. Alot more restrictions in every area of our lives is just around the corner.. start prepping now!!!
Put your political bias aside for a moment, this is not something new and the 'initiative' that started it began in the middle of the prior administration (note the date when the EPA solicited public comment, February 2019):

https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...liance-initiatives-for-fiscal-years-2020-2023

https://www.epa.gov/enforcement/nat...termarket-defeat-devices-vehicles-and-engines
 

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US DOSENā€™T have a pollutant problem CHINA does fact! China could reduce their pollution by 50 percent and still produce more than the US!
 

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I'd understand the outrage if this was over E85 or superchargers. But catless headers? Realistically, how much are you really going to see catless vs. high-flow cats? 3-4 horsepower?
Gotta have that power to grocery store runs or highway "pulls".
 
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It blows my mind on how many tree huggers are on this forum, but yet you drive a mustang that gets horrible MPG.
You can't have it both ways by saying removing cats is bad, but yet drive a car with terrible mileage.
If want to be concerned, look a geo-engineering or the amount of pollutants we'll generate by producing vast more electricity to power pitiful EV's.
 
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I'd understand the outrage if this was over E85 or superchargers. But catless headers? Realistically, how much are you really going to see catless vs. high-flow cats? 3-4 horsepower?
Do you realize going to an SC, its recommended to run no cats? Plus I'll be going E85 in the future so cats will go bye bye one way or another.
 

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Donā€™t forget the houses full of asbestos..
there's nothing wrong with asbestos. It's a fantastic material. Would have saved some 3000 people's lives one september morning... Not handling it properly is the issue. same with gasoline, benzene, altoids, aspirin and so on.
 

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Do you realize going to an SC, its recommended to run no cats?
sure, to eek out a handful more HP for the purposes of benchracing and being a "mine's bigger" twat. BFD. The blowers and turbos work just fine with modern cats.
 

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Do you realize going to an SC, its recommended to run no cats? Plus I'll be going E85 in the future so cats will go bye bye one way or another.
Stop the presses! We have to let the GT500 owners know that their factory supercharged 760 HP CATTED HEADERS are a ticking time bomb, and that they're tree-hugging *gasp* Democrats if they don't go catless!
 

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This whole misnomer about the fact that you should remove the cats if running a supercharger likely came from inexperienced tuners at some point. At moderate power levels (sub ~850ish) the cats should live a good long life if the calibration is on point. Way easier to put a tune together with COT disabled than to put the time into making sure thatā€™s all set up properly.

We have a full weight widebody Redeye running 9.28 @ 147 through the complete stock exhaust (on E85). Thatā€™s easy 8 second power at Mustang weight. Tell me again why you need to remove the cats from a street car??
 

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This whole misnomer about the fact that you should remove the cats if running a supercharger likely came from inexperienced tuners at some point. At moderate power levels (sub ~850ish) the cats should live a good long life if the calibration is on point. Way easier to put a tune together with COT disabled than to put the time into making sure thatā€™s all set up properly.

We have a full weight widebody Redeye running 9.28 @ 147 through the complete stock exhaust (on E85). Thatā€™s easy 8 second power at Mustang weight. Tell me again why you need to remove the cats from a street car??
Exactly, you have to keep the cats cool if you want them to survive, especially aftermarket. This is where the issue comes into play, most tuners just disable COT and leave it at that. That is the easy way to do it. At the end of the day 99% of performance modifications are technically in violation of EPA standards. The car manufactures get an emissions rating/approval on the OEM configuration. Once you start messing with the tune that is out the window.
 

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Exactly, you have to keep the cats cool if you want them to survive, especially aftermarket. This is where the issue comes into play, most tuners just disable COT and leave it at that. That is the easy way to do it. At the end of the day 99% of performance modifications are technically in violation of EPA standards. The car manufactures get an emissions rating/approval on the OEM configuration. Once you start messing with the tune that is out the window.
Not if you certify the new tune under Mem1a and then get an EO for it šŸ˜‰
Obviously thatā€™s out of reach to the average tuner or shop so itā€™s a tough spot.
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