Is this the beginning of the end for catless products [CLOSED DUE TO POLITICS]

[Vert]

I saw the beefcake thread last night so it got me a little concerned since I'll be adding a whipple in a few weeks. Anyways, I was going to order the mak performance offroad pipes, but nope, they're no longer on mak's website. Checked beef's site, nope and no non catted headers. Checked several other websites until I found some non catted stainless powers at lethal.

Next concern is how much longer will tuners tune non catted cars?

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[GNN60GT500]

EPA Declares War Against Makers of Emissions Defeat Devices (thedrive.com)

Settlement with EPA and the Department of Justice Prohibits Performance Diesel, Inc. from Selling Diesel Engine Defeat Devices | U.S. EPA News Releases | US EPA

EPA Fines Tuning Company $300,000 for Producing and Selling Emissions Defeat Devices (thedrive.com)

SCT/Bully Dog Tuners Fined by the EPA for Clean Air Act Violations (hotrod.com)

They went after the diesel guys first- but they are coming for us next.

 

[Vert]

EPA Declares War Against Makers of Emissions Defeat Devices (thedrive.com)

Settlement with EPA and the Department of Justice Prohibits Performance Diesel, Inc. from Selling Diesel Engine Defeat Devices | U.S. EPA News Releases | US EPA

EPA Fines Tuning Company $300,000 for Producing and Selling Emissions Defeat Devices (thedrive.com)

SCT/Bully Dog Tuners Fined by the EPA for Clean Air Act Violations (hotrod.com)

They went after the diesel guys first- but they are coming for us next.

I know, it's a shame for us performance guys.

 

[luc]

I saw the beefcake thread last night so it got me a little concerned since I'll be adding a whipple in a few weeks. Anyways, I was going to order the mak performance offroad pipes, but nope, they're no longer on mak's website. Checked beef's site, nope and no non catted headers. Checked several other websites until I found some non catted stainless powers at lethal.

Next concern is how much longer will tuners tune non catted cars?

Concerned about what?
What is the purpose of a catalytic converter?
Do you worry that the air will be too clean and your car too slow ?????

 

[Mikthehun1]

I'd understand the outrage if this was over E85 or superchargers. But catless headers? Realistically, how much are you really going to see catless vs. high-flow cats? 3-4 horsepower?

 

[Mikthehun1]

Concerned about what?
What is the purpose of a catalytic converter?

Reduces emissions. They also quiet the car down a good bit (in factory form).

 

[IamCDNJosh]

Good, the sooner these catless "off-road only headers" are gone the better.

 

[Whitest Russian]

Good, the sooner these catless "off-road only headers" are gone the better.

For real.

Modern cats aren't restrictive pieces of shit that burn out after a few years.

 

[FreePenguin]

I like choice, whether it’s to be loud or quiet or polute or not.

the fact we are losing our ability to buy things we want is garbage, it’s up the person to decide on how they want to use the car Ie. Off-road or inroad. Don’t punish the companies for making and selling these items

 

[Nuked]

It's not just catless products, but tunes as well. EPA has taken an interest in the automotive industry and it appears the Mustang community has just been put on notice.

 

[luc]

I like choice, whether it’s to be loud or quiet or polute or not.

the fact we are losing our ability to buy things we want is garbage, it’s up the person to decide on how they want to use the car Ie. Off-road or inroad. Don’t punish the companies for making and selling these items

You don’t live by yourself on this planet and you don’t have any right to pollute other people air or ears
Freedom of choice stop when it start to impede someone else freedom

 

[Dave2013M3]

Even catted headers will be affected.

 

[FreePenguin]

You don’t live by yourself on this planet and you don’t have any right to pollute other people air or ears
Freedom of choice stop when it start to impede someone else freedom

what exactly freedoms are we impeding by having a loud car or polluting? We have trees, it sucks that excess carbon up.

our cars produce barely any toxins compared to Ie. China. They produce way more
Than us. Worry less about cars, let us have our freedoms, cars, guns, stop telling us what we can and cannot have or buy.

 

[Whitest Russian]

what exactly freedoms are we impeding by having a loud car or polluting? We have trees, it sucks that excess carbon up.

our cars produce barely any toxins compared to Ie. China. They produce way more
Than us. Worry less about cars, let us have our freedoms, cars, guns, stop telling us what we can and cannot have or buy.

I want to go back to the good ole' days and buy gas with lead in it.

 

[luc]

I want to go back to the good ole' days and buy gas with lead in it.

Don’t forget the houses full of asbestos..

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