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Are you saying that built quality ( the line workers doing their job correctly) is not possible because the line workers are not paid enough or because the line move too fast and they will need more time to do the job correctly or because????
Probably the later plus the fact they don’t have as much pride in their work as they used to.
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Are you saying that built quality ( the line workers doing their job correctly) is not possible because the line workers are not paid enough or because the line move too fast and they will need more time to do the job correctly?

I think its an issue of Ford Management. I definitely don't think its an issue of pay to the workers. UAW workers are some of the highest paid auto workers in the world. To be frank I would spend a few thousand dollars more for a car that had better build quality and materials. Unfortunately it really could just come down to a worker not just giving a shit.
 

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UAW contracts specifically prohibit the emotion, nay the very concept of shame.
And then they complain when the cars are
Are you saying that built quality ( the line workers doing their job correctly) is not possible because the line workers are not paid enough or because the line move too fast and they will need more time to do the job correctly or because????
For me the lack of quality is due to poor management and the union system
If you can’t fire someone that do a sloppy job, the end result is what we get….. but they do find the time and money to slap a union sticker on the car…laughable
Very well said. I have dealt with destructive unions in my own business. They bring Absolutely F…. All of value.
They breed animosity , hatred and break up all relationships sorely needed to run a business well.
Any good business will look after its staff ,like it does it’s machines, clients etc.
Unions are not needed.
If you don’t like working for a company, pack your bags and go show everyone how much better you can do.
Dont hide behind the socialist comrades in the Union like a little girl.
Rant over.
Unions have destroyed industries. Just look at the UK.
Many of the great brands are gone.
Hopefully in the USA, they manage to keep the communist unions in check ?
 

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So your opinion is that even though you’re paying $40k for a mustang, it shouldn’t have better QC? I guess it’s the thought process like that in which people continue to buy these cars.
If you want perfect you need to spend a lot more today and even then you will have issues.
People are buying 100k bmw's m2 cs with issues of q/c.
MOST if not all the cost in today's cars is crash testing and emission and the R&D that goes with that. There isn't much left for top tier parts from outside vendors the sub contract to make the parts.
Don't forget the car starts at a 27k car. Just because you optioned it out to 40-100k doesn't mean a whole lot, It just means the factory threw parts at it.
Ford also has to build them to be a recyclable as they can, as most of them will be totalled out before hitting 25 thousand miles.
To keep cost down, much of todays cars are like your childhoods snap together models, as push it in place is faster than screws,nuts and bolts.
And man hours per unit is a big cost of building them. So snap together modular construction is what is used, many times with use once clips. So any repair that they reuse the clips will rattle, and many times even when new will.
For the Mustang to have a better q/c it have to be a base car that starts at 40k and goes up from there. But because every one is started off that 27k base car, you have what we have. The Mustang would be put out to pasture if Ford went that upmarket for the base car. As they never sell enough of them.
Want top notch q/c and fit and finish go buy a 120-150k lexus 350, etc. And not a car that starts life at a 27k car.
There is a reason the Supra starts at 46k and goes up from there. It is also why it will be dead soon from lack of sales.
 

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I have dealt with destructive unions in my own business. They bring Absolutely F…. All of value.
I worked for an Allied Van Lines agent for a bit. The downtown Chicago branch was union. The west suburb was not. Management's deal was we'll pay you non-union at least as good if not better than your brothers downtown, but if you vote to go union, you get the same contract they have.

We worked harder and vastly better (far less breakage) than the Union shop, got paid bonuses and "profit sharing" and the crews were ashamed and frankly disgusted with the Union guys. We booked many a job rightfully in their 'turf' but since they were so lazy, they couldn't meet the job timeline, so the contract rolled over to us.

Once upon a time unions provided a useful counterweight to unbalanced power between capital and labor. And some examples of mutual benefit probably still exist. But the UAW isn't one.
 
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Want top notch q/c and fit and finish go buy a 120-150k lexus 350, etc. And not a car that starts life at a 27k car.
And yet Honda can produce how many zillion Civics at 25-27k? And built in Canada AFAIK which is just across a sliver of water from Detroit et. al. And yet the chasm in work ethic (despite also being union) is readily apparent. Plenty of cars come out of Arkansas, Mississippi, TN/KN and the like and put MI/OH to abject shame.
 

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And yet Honda can produce how many zillion Civics at 25-27k?
And they have issues. Lots of them.
Picked the wrong day to bring up Honda, as they JUST recalled 800 thousand cars for hood latches that fail at speed and that is always fun.
Or we could talk toyo and the sludge issues in their 4 and 6 bangers and broken cams in the v8's. or KIA/hyndi that keep long blocks in stock because they fail so much. 10 year/100k warranty be damned.
Ya, guess all the import brands q/c issues , that's different.
This what I tell everyone that comes to me asking about what cars to buy, I tell them every brand have huge service dept's for a reason. They all suck, buy what you want/need.
 

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If you want perfect you need to spend a lot more today and even then you will have issues.
People are buying 100k bmw's m2 cs with issues of q/c.
MOST if not all the cost in today's cars is crash testing and emission and the R&D that goes with that. There isn't much left for top tier parts from outside vendors the sub contract to make the parts.
Don't forget the car starts at a 27k car. Just because you optioned it out to 40-100k doesn't mean a whole lot, It just means the factory threw parts at it.
Ford also has to build them to be a recyclable as they can, as most of them will be totalled out before hitting 25 thousand miles.
To keep cost down, much of todays cars are like your childhoods snap together models, as push it in place is faster than screws,nuts and bolts.
And man hours per unit is a big cost of building them. So snap together modular construction is what is used, many times with use once clips. So any repair that they reuse the clips will rattle, and many times even when new will.
For the Mustang to have a better q/c it have to be a base car that starts at 40k and goes up from there. But because every one is started off that 27k base car, you have what we have. The Mustang would be put out to pasture if Ford went that upmarket for the base car. As they never sell enough of them.
Want top notch q/c and fit and finish go buy a 120-150k lexus 350, etc. And not a car that starts life at a 27k car.
There is a reason the Supra starts at 46k and goes up from there. It is also why it will be dead soon from lack of sales.
I hear you, but I bought a Fiat 500 for my daughter and it is flawless. And that’s a budget Car.
The workmanship is not a factor of price. I’ve seen many entry level cars that are very well put together.
Ford (Dearborne plant) doesn’t have an excuse really.
And just to be clear, no one is asking for real leather or soft touch at the price point. Just put the thing together properly.
 
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I hear you, but I bought a Fiat 500 for my daughter and it is flawless. And that’s a budget Car.
The workmanship is not a factor of price. I’ve seen many entry level cars that are very well put together.
Ford (Dearborne plant) doesn’t have an excuse really.
And just to be clear, no one is asking for real leather or soft touch at the price point. Just put the thing together properly.
Well you are the first person that stated no issues with a fix it again tony 500.
 

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I’m not the only one who’s dealt with ford and their continuously shitty quality control. Maybe you’re just lucky, lol. Play the lotto.
Exactly, the other fella is lucky az if he has had no issues at all unless he can’t hear or see properly , no new car at this price range is perfect and as much as I love my catr, there’s definitely some qc issues. Mainly interior quality issues in my instance.
 

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Well you are the first person that stated no issues with a fix it again tony 500.
Well maybe the Fiat is a bad example as I have no Fiat experience other than my daughters car. Nor do I belong to Fiat forum, so you could well be right.
let’s keep it Ford then .
The local dealer sells mustangs , Tourneos, Rangers, Figos Fiestas etc.
More than one person at the dealership admitted that the Mustang is the worst put together with the most fix it’s on a new car they have ever had.
Perhaps Dearborn is the problem as the Others come from other areas and factories. And are mostly much cheaper .
There are no excuses actually. They just work like crap in the Mustang factory.
 

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This is a discouraging thread for me as a first time Ford buyer with a Mach1 being delivered very soon. I also got tired of $100K cars that I was afraid to drive or leave parked anywhere. So is this an exaggerated thread? I m buying from a dealer 5 hours away so when I take the car I assume I ll be done with that dealer. Any suggestions?
 

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So is this an exaggerated thread?
Not quite. My Mach 1's dashboard also rattles from the passengers side. But it's minor issue, will talk with dealer about it next year. Doesn't bother me much at all, everything else is perfect, the engine, exhaust, performance and the whole exteriour is a real marvel. People need to try to tame their OCD (I know, I am battling that for years).
 

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This is a discouraging thread for me as a first time Ford buyer with a Mach1 being delivered very soon. I also got tired of $100K cars that I was afraid to drive or leave parked anywhere. So is this an exaggerated thread? I m buying from a dealer 5 hours away so when I take the car I assume I ll be done with that dealer. Any suggestions?
It is a fantastic car, even though some may say it’s subjective.
There is a bit of luck involved as well as personal attention levels.
To some a skew rear window , bad paint spots , irregular gaps etc are not as important or off putting as others may see it.
Either way, go in ready and it will be fine.
would I do it again ? Sure.
Perhaps this time I will choose the best of the worst .
Mine had a bit too many bad workmanship issues. I’m sure it was about as bad as it gets.
 

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I m buying from a dealer 5 hours away so when I take the car I assume I ll be done with that dealer. Any suggestions?
wear rose-tinted glasses and bring your sight cane during delivery handover and the next 3 months and it'll be all good. Or if you rather, bring a magnifying glass and spend 30 minutes poring over every inch. And pour yourself a triple while you wait to sign the paperwork.


PS. You didn't say it had to be helpful "suggestions". - editor
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