I love the mustang…but…

[jd_cobra]

that doesn't actually mean anything vis-a-vis buy price. It just means you got out of the loan without additional penalty.

So look up the price of a 2019 GT premium 400A with nav and 20” premium wheels with 20k miles on the odometer. Another ford in town offered me $37.5 lol. I feel like I got a deal but I could be wrong.

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[jd_cobra]

I had a $50k Volvo C70 in 2002.
3 bolts held the entire dash to the firewall
All 3 snapped within 2 years.

But, how many of the same vehicle that you bought had that same issue? Still sucks no doubt, lol.

 

[Chef jpd]

Rampant issue..........

 

[jd_cobra]

Rampant issue..........

That sucks

 

[tosha]

edit: obviously as the title states, I love the car but just hate some of the bullshit that comes with it. Then get people making comments like “why not get something else”? Obviously I love the car which is why I’m trying to get the issues sorted, but apparently reading comprehension is tough for some, lol.

It's not comprehension, it's you keep going on and on for 7 pages about how much you work your ass and you got squeaky interior and how dealer will buy it out. Cool story, man, but it's getting old. What do you want to get from this discussion? I highly doubt that Ford QA will read it.
You asked if you should try with another mustang and I gave my honest opinion that you shouldn't. I think that you will find something else in the next one to bitch and cry and exaggerate about on the forum, and if that would be a Chevy or toyota forum, that would be great . Hope I didn't hurt your feelings ;)

 

[jd_cobra]

It's not comprehension, it's you keep going on and on for 7 pages about how much you work your ass and you got squeaky interior and how dealer will buy it out. Cool story, man, but it's getting old. What do you want to get from this discussion? I highly doubt that Ford QA will read it.
You asked if you should try with another mustang and I gave my honest opinion that you shouldn't. I think that you will find something else in the next one to bitch and cry and exaggerate about on the forum, and if that would be a Chevy or toyota forum, that would be great . Hope I didn't hurt your feelings ;)

Apparently you’re so brain dead you don’t realize that you don’t have to read it, lol. Hurt my feelings how? You being stupid doesn’t affect me, lol. There’s an unwatch button at the top in case you didn’t know

edit: sorry, I didn’t mean to call you brain dead. I know how sensitive you Canadians can be.

 

[ICU812]

I don’t want “perfect” because I know that no such things exists, I just want better than what’s being given now. I had a 2018 $18k Honda Civic sport that had 0 issues that I traded in for a new 2019 GT last year when ford announced their Covid deals. Interior wise, I’d say better but it had its flaws, the dome light housing was rattling due to a broken clip, the a pillar was cracked, and there was a rattle from the rear right c pillar area which was most likely the a bag canister issue a lot of people have had since 2018, that apparently couldn’t have been bothered to be fixed.

I honestly think it is bias, when you pay 18k for a car you look the other way with the little production issues and let them slide, as vehicle price goes up, the same things you'd let slide in tha 18k honda, you take issue with.
All new vehicle have issues q/c or otherwise. The 2018 civic is well documented with a laundry list of them. So you either looked the other way or got lucky.

 

[TasGT]

I think one of the major causes of a lack of pride in many peoples work and a consequent lack of company loyalty and a desire to always give 100% attention to detail in producing quality work, lies at the feet of the modern style of company management.
Their penny pinching, treating employees as disposable and underpaying everywhere they can attitude in order to say “look how cheap I can run the company for you” in order to ensure another fat unearned bonus for the year, is the death of employee loyalty and with it goes any desire to do anything other than to roll up, do your job with minimum effort, get your pay and go home to forget about work, for as long as the job lasts.
It need cost no more to assemble a car to a high standard than a low one, it takes the same amount of time and just needs the desire in the person doing it to want to be the best they can. What it needs is a sense of belonging and family if you like in being a part of that company, not just another necessary evil that management would and does ditch at the first opportunity.
When I started work in 1975 for a major bank, we were a family, the bank cared for and looked after its staff and we in turn always gave our best effort, we worked and we socialised together. Then I came the new broom MBA Uni degree style managers, with no people skills and bugger all idea what actually makes a business a success, and it all went downhill from there.
To sum up I think my attititude by the time I told them I had had enough was pretty common and still holds today for many people.
I told them I used to work for the bank and they paid me. Now I work for the money, it just happens to be at a bank at the moment.
I doubt it’s any different at automobile plants today, or maybe, just maybe companies like Kia, Hyundai and Toyota etc do realise that company loyalty and a desire to do ones best is something the company both needs to earn and will gain a valuable reputation for quality from, and you don’t just get it via a pay packet. Maybe that is why their fit and finish is so good as some have suggested.

 

[jd_cobra]

So you either looked the other way or got lucky.

I got lucky. Now, I’m on the opposite side of that sentence talking to what seems like many who got “lucky”.

 

[Stage_3]

I think one of the major causes of a lack of pride in many peoples work and a consequent lack of company loyalty and a desire to always give 100% attention to detail in producing quality work, lies at the feet of the modern style of company management.
Their penny pinching, treating employees as disposable and underpaying everywhere they can attitude in order to say “look how cheap I can run the company for you” in order to ensure another fat unearned bonus for the year, is the death of employee loyalty and with it goes any desire to do anything other than to roll up, do your job with minimum effort, get your pay and go home to forget about work, for as long as the job lasts.
It need cost no more to assemble a car to a high standard than a low one, it takes the same amount of time and just needs the desire in the person doing it to want to be the best they can. What it needs is a sense of belonging and family if you like in being a part of that company, not just another necessary evil that management would and does ditch at the first opportunity.
When I started work in 1975 for a major bank, we were a family, the bank cared for and looked after its staff and we in turn always gave our best effort, we worked and we socialised together. Then I came the new broom MBA Uni degree style managers, with no people skills and bugger all idea what actually makes a business a success, and it all went downhill from there.
To sum up I think my attititude by the time I told them I had had enough was pretty common and still holds today for many people.
I told them I used to work for the bank and they paid me. Now I work for the money, it just happens to be at a bank at the moment.
I doubt it’s any different at automobile plants today, or maybe, just maybe companies like Kia, Hyundai and Toyota etc do realise that company loyalty and a desire to do ones best is something the company both needs to earn and will gain a valuable reputation for quality from, and you don’t just get it via a pay packet. Maybe that is why their fit and finish is so good as some have suggested.

^^This guy gets it. 100%!
Spot on brother. Spot on.

 

[jd_cobra]

I think one of the major causes of a lack of pride in many peoples work and a consequent lack of company loyalty and a desire to always give 100% attention to detail in producing quality work, lies at the feet of the modern style of company management.
Their penny pinching, treating employees as disposable and underpaying everywhere they can attitude in order to say “look how cheap I can run the company for you” in order to ensure another fat unearned bonus for the year, is the death of employee loyalty and with it goes any desire to do anything other than to roll up, do your job with minimum effort, get your pay and go home to forget about work, for as long as the job lasts.
It need cost no more to assemble a car to a high standard than a low one, it takes the same amount of time and just needs the desire in the person doing it to want to be the best they can. What it needs is a sense of belonging and family if you like in being a part of that company, not just another necessary evil that management would and does ditch at the first opportunity.
When I started work in 1975 for a major bank, we were a family, the bank cared for and looked after its staff and we in turn always gave our best effort, we worked and we socialised together. Then I came the new broom MBA Uni degree style managers, with no people skills and bugger all idea what actually makes a business a success, and it all went downhill from there.
To sum up I think my attititude by the time I told them I had had enough was pretty common and still holds today for many people.
I told them I used to work for the bank and they paid me. Now I work for the money, it just happens to be at a bank at the moment.
I doubt it’s any different at automobile plants today, or maybe, just maybe companies like Kia, Hyundai and Toyota etc do realise that company loyalty and a desire to do ones best is something the company both needs to earn and will gain a valuable reputation for quality from, and you don’t just get it via a pay packet. Maybe that is why their fit and finish is so good as some have suggested.

Nowadays, everyone is expendable and probably treated as such like you stated. I’d have lack of motivation and pride of my work if I was to feel that way. But, at the end of the day, all ford cares about is how many vehicles they can get out to make as much as possible, while cutting corners and money on things that shouldn’t be messed with.

The whole car is an experience of itself imo, especially when you get inside the vehicle where everything is done. The issues I’ve had to deal with kind of kill that experience of enjoying the whole car for me.

 

[Cobra Jet]

Poor QC is a known fact with the S550 and it has existed since it's 2015 inception. It doesn't only exist on the lower tier models, it exists on the top tier as well (GT350/350R and GT500).

I'm not going to get into the bitch fest between M6G members that's going on in the above posts, but I will only say:

It's disappointing that after 1 year of S550 production the very well known and publicly discussed S550 QC issues on multiple forums and social media platforms were not addressed, let alone now going on 7 years into production.

Is it really "you get what you pay for"? Or a "domestic" only issue? No, I don't believe that to be true. Being a member across many auto forums and a lurker reading many other forums (and multiple online automotive journals), QC issues exist at nearly every manufacturer. Paint is the biggest issue, with "squeaks/creaks/interior noises" being the 2 largest and most common complaints - aside from other issues such as drivetrain, interior feature failures, (blank dash monitors, heated/cooled seats, failed digital accessories etc) and NVH.

Some owners of (insert brand here) are more susceptible OR critical to noises that they just can't get over. What may be a legit noise to Owner A may not bother Owner B. Same is true with exterior paint, what I may pick up as a blem or QC issue may not even stir a wink from someone else.

I think Ford's QC control on paint and exterior body panel specs is too lax, as many of the S550 blems being posted on this site over the last 7 years should not have made it past an "ok" at final inspection. In some instances you can't even believe that someone paying $35k-40k+ for an S550 has such issues being posted 7 years into production, because hey these DO go through QC inspections for final sigh off, but when someone buys a brand new MACh 1, GT350/350R or GT500, paying in excess of $70k-$100k+ and has the same paint issues. . . that's an embarrassment to the brand.

I get the frustrations and agree it's "not right", but again what exterior defect or creaky noise may bother 1 person, goes unnoticed by 10 other owners. The only way to get traction about QC concerns is by posting an email to Ford, letter writing campaign, or multiple people reach out to them on their Social media voicing displeasure of common issue-X.

Now I'll end this by saying to new car buyers:
You are the one accepting and signing for the car. It's your due diligence to thoroughly inspect the car exterior, interior and listen for weird things during test drive and to make note of any issues. You have every opportunity to decline the purchase because of XYZ. If you accepted the vehicle, you were happy as it was during signing and taking receipt of the vehicle... Paint flaws, decal issues, glass defects, and body panel gaps don't just magically happen after signing and taking delivery.

 

[jd_cobra]

Poor QC is a known fact with the S550 and it has existed since it's 2015 inception. It doesn't only exist on the lower tier models, it exists on the top tier as well (GT350/350R and GT500).

I'm not going to get into the bitch fest between M6G members that's going on in the above posts, but I will only say:

It's disappointing that after 1 year of S550 production the very well known and publicly discussed S550 QC issues on multiple forums and social media platforms were not addressed, let alone now going on 7 years into production.

Is it really "you get what you pay for"? Or a "domestic" only issue? No, I don't believe that to be true. Being a member across many auto forums and a lurker reading many other forums (and multiple online automotive journals), QC issues exist at nearly every manufacturer. Paint is the biggest issue, with "squeaks/creaks/interior noises" being the 2 largest and most common complaints - aside from other issues such as drivetrain, interior feature failures, (blank dash monitors, heated/cooled seats, failed digital accessories etc) and NVH.

Some owners of (insert brand here) are more susceptible OR critical to noises that they just can't get over. What may be a legit noise to Owner A may not bother Owner B. Same is true with exterior paint, what I may pick up as a blem or QC issue may not even stir a wink from someone else.

I think Ford's QC control on paint and exterior body panel specs is too lax, as many of the S550 blems being posted on this site over the last 7 years should not have made it past an "ok" at final inspection. In some instances you can't even believe that someone paying $35k-40k+ for an S550 has such issues being posted 7 years into prediction, because hey these DO go through QC inspections for final sigh off, but when someone buys a brand new MACh 1, GT350/350R or GT500, paying in excess of $70k-$100k+ and has the same paint issues. . . that's an embarrassment to the brand.

I get the frustrations and agree it's "not right", but again what exterior defect or creaky noise may bother 1 person, goes unnoticed by 10 other owners. The only way to get traction about QC concerns is by posting an email to Ford, letter writing campaign, or multiple people reach out to them on their Social media voicing displeasure of common issue-X.

Now I'll end this by saying to new car buyers:
You are the one accepting and signing for the car. It's your due diligence to thoroughly inspect the car exterior, interior and listen for weird things during test drive and to make note of any issues. You have every opportunity to decline the purchase because of XYZ. If you accepted the vehicle, you were happy as it was during signing and taking receipt of the vehicle... Paint flaws, decal issues, glass defects, and body panel gaps don't just magically happen after signing and taking delivery.

The only two things I didn’t catch before signing papers was the scratch on the side mirror, and in between the tint/glass. I saw it a week later and notified them and was told it’ll be taken care of.

 

[ICU812]

I got lucky. Now, I’m on the opposite side of that sentence talking to what seems like many who got “lucky”.

Welp, I'll take it from those that work is fixing them at honda dealers word as it is what keeps them employed. But I'm sure they don't know what they are talking about, they only see thousands of them, you owned ONE.
No point in arguing about it, you have your opinion, I have mine. Mine comes from those that job is fixing the cars of that brand.
Maybe you should trade in your stang for a civic, seems you'd be happier.

 

[jd_cobra]

Welp, I'll take it from those that work is fixing them at honda dealers word as it is what keeps them employed. But I'm sure they don't know what they are talking about, they only see thousands of them, you owned ONE.
No point in arguing about it, you have your opinion, I have mine. Mine comes from those that job is fixing the cars of that brand.
Maybe you should trade in your stang for a civic, seems you'd be happier.

Again, reading comprehension is hard lol. Read the title man, good lord.

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