Hood Lift at high speeds

[mustang_guy]

:frusty:
You didn't even bother to research the subject, did you? Yes, they are overall that bad; otherwise our ranking would not be in free fall like it is. The last time civil engineers graded our overall roads, they received a D+; that's pretty darn close to failing.

I don't exactly have time to just sit and read what I figure to be a lengthy report. I will read it later. Bad is subject to opinion. From DOT standards probably, but those are not many peoples standards. If its relatively smooth and not pot holes EVEYWHERE. Its a none issue for a triple digit run.

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[Starman]

No one needs a lecture on what you feel is right and wrong. So no, no one needs moral orel. People dont care. You going to start telling people to stop taking off their cats too?

There's no *feel is right or wrong* here, this is wrong. Are you seriously using the rational that driving 140 MPH on a public highway in the USA is a questionable moral? 99.999% of the people in this country *care* that you are going 140+ mph on our freeways. You are not *entitled* to do this in any way here. You want to street race, go do it on a track with the BMW/Porsche clubs where you can open up all you want, a place designed for speeds like that (like say German roads). Don't put innocent people lives at risk due to your over inflated ego relating to how good you really think you can drive at those speeds on a public road. Chances are you cant.

This is the car enthusiast community I've been around in a decade that doesn't admonish people for street racing like this.

Side note: I could care less about cats, I'm liberal on all this generally, taking of a cat is not going to kill a family driving around in their minivan.

 

[AmerikanishesPferd]

I believe you are completely ignoring the major issue here, US roads (freeway's included) are utter shit! 99% of our roads were not designed that well to begin with and upkeep has been laughable at best. Small potholes everywhere, uneven surfaces, derbies, trash, etc. Therefore, yes, it is very stupid to be going these speeds on US roads regardless of how good a driver you are.

Source? I know that the United States' infrastructure is failing rapidly as little money is being pumped into public-sector repair projects as the money simply cannot keep up with demand. Of course once somebody even mentions about raising taxes to cover the expenses Americans lose their cool and start demonizing anyone who even thinks about it (socialists/communists arguments). The fact is that money is needed to fix things/build things and it has to come from somewhere. You can blame the man on the hill for everything but ultimately raising taxes a little bit can pay off dividends, decrease debt, and increase jobs. Just takes the right person and accepting that everyone has a vested interest in the future of the country. Instead, we currently have a problem of everyone v everyone and what's mine is only mine damned be those who wish to take it from me.

I have driven on roads all over Europe (Luxembourg, Belgium, Germany, France) and can tell you that these problems exist here just as well as anywhere else.

I also made it a point to mention conditions as clearly anyone driving at "excessive" speeds should be very aware of the condition of the roads as well as weather and traffic condition. I lost a buddy of mine on a very traveled stretch very close to where I am and the roads are just fine.

There are tons of factors to keep in mind and the condition of your car cannot be underestimated just like ability and everything else already mentioned.

If you aren't comfortable pushing some envelopes then do not attempt it however talking down somebody who has doesn't help. I like driving fast but I do not like dying so if I even feel the slightest bit tired or unsure I dial it back and just drive.

Sorry for the long post. Enjoy the sport but do so responsibly.

 

[CompO5.sl0w]

There's no *feel is right or wrong* here, this is wrong. Are you seriously using the rational that driving 140 MPH on a public highway in the USA is a questionable moral? 99.999% of the people in this country *care* that you are going 140+ mph on our freeways. You are not *entitled* to do this in any way here. You want to street race, go do it on a track with the BMW/Porsche clubs where you can open up all you want, a place designed for speeds like that (like say German roads). Don't put innocent people lives at risk due to your over inflated ego relating to how good you really think you can drive at those speeds on a public road. Chances are you cant.

This is the car enthusiast community I've been around in a decade that doesn't admonish people for street racing like this.

Side note: I could care less about cats, I'm liberal on all this generally, taking of a cat is not going to kill a family driving around in their minivan.

And no family is going to be killed as long as both parties are paying attention, regardless of speed on the highway.

 

[mustang_guy]

There's no *feel is right or wrong* here, this is wrong. Are you seriously using the rational that driving 140 MPH on a public highway in the USA is a questionable moral? 99.999% of the people in this country *care* that you are going 140+ mph on our freeways. You are not *entitled* to do this in any way here. You want to street race, go do it on a track with the BMW/Porsche clubs where you can open up all you want, a place designed for speeds like that (like say German roads). Don't put innocent people lives at risk due to your over inflated ego relating to how good you really think you can drive at those speeds on a public road. Chances are you cant.

This is the car enthusiast community I've been around in a decade that doesn't admonish people for street racing like this.

Side note: I could care less about cats, I'm liberal on all this generally, taking of a cat is not going to kill a family driving around in their minivan.

Again, right and wrong is a feeling despite what is law or not. Everyone is free to do as they see fit. I don't care what other people think. I have my morals, you and everyone else has theres. I guess youd have an issue with the full blown wheelies ive done for an 8th mile down public roads in foxbody I had. If you do, I couldn't careless. Also I am entitled to do as I see fit. You cant sit here and tell me whats right and wrong but not care about cats. You're a hypocrite. A law is a law. I'll chose to follow the ones I see fit. As will anyone else. Get off your high horse. Like you've never broken a law in your life. :tsk:

 

[Chameleon]

It was worse in my 05' but it is still there.

 

[sauerkraut]

I don't exactly have time to just sit and read what I figure to be a lengthy report. I will read it later. Bad is subject to opinion. From DOT standards probably, but those are not many peoples standards. If its relatively smooth and not pot holes EVEYWHERE. Its a none issue for a triple digit run.

It's not just about potholes, uneven surfaces and debris are major culprits.
I find a vast majority of our roads to be subpar (99% was an exaggeration, I know that), you find them acceptable; that's OK. Let's just agree to disagree on the subjectivity of "bad" here. :cheers:

Source?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=americas+failing+infrastructure

As for money to fix them, raising taxes would not be necessary if we just lowered our outrageous military spending <- this is not a discussion I am willing to have here.

 

[mustang_guy]

It's not just about potholes, uneven surfaces and debris are major culprits.
I find a vast majority of our roads to be subpar, you find them acceptable; that's OK. Let's just agree to disagree on the subjectivity of "bad" here. :cheers:


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=americas+failing+infrastructure

As for money to fix them, raising taxes would not be necessary if we just lowered our outrageous military spending <- this is not a discussion I am willing to have here.

Do you know how uneven itd have to be to really be an issue for a highspeed run? Debris? People do super high speed runs in the salt flats. Agreeing to disagree is what is best. :cheers: I will check out the link later though.

 

[908ssp]

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I'm not sure how the dynamics work but i THINK that is what happens. Isn't air that comes through the front grill supposed to wash over the engine nad through the BACK of the hood near the bottom of the front windshield?

Sorry that is obvious that you don't know how aero works. There is a seal the runs the full length of the rear edge of the hood preventing air from entering or existing the read edge of the hood. The vents at the base of the windshield are out side this seal ...why? Because the base of the windshield is a high pressure zone. Air pressure builds at the base of the windshield because the flow slows down as it is pushed over the windshield. A vent at the back of the hood does not help evacuate air when the car is moving and "cowl induction" hoods are an example of using this high pressure air to feed the engine. Low pressure zones are at the crest of the curve of the hood where air is moving fast as that creates a low pressure zone.

 

[pinero61]

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[sauerkraut]

Do you know how uneven itd have to be to really be an issue for a highspeed run? Debris? People do super high speed runs in the salt flats. Agreeing to disagree is what is best. :cheers: I will check out the link later though.

Perhaps you travel on roads that semi's don't (doubtful). The eventual grooves that form can cause directional pull even at normal speeds, let alone triple digit speed runs.

Debris on paved roads vs salt flats = not the same. Salt flats are not covered in trash (ignorant idiots love to toss things out their window while driving, and there are tons of these idiots in our country) or littered with massive chunks of tire rubber from blowouts.

Maybe I'm just of a different mindset, take it to your local track or drag strip where the pavement was designed for this. :cheers:

 

[mustang_guy]

Perhaps you travel on roads that semi's don't (doubtful). The eventual grooves that form can cause directional pull even at normal speeds, let alone triple digit speed runs.

Debris on paved roads vs salt flats = not the same. Salt flats are not covered in trash (ignorant idiots love to toss things out their window while driving, and there are tons of these idiots in our country) or littered with massive chunks of tire rubber from blowouts.

Maybe I'm just of a different mindset, take it to your local track or drag strip where the pavement was designed for this. :cheers:

Wow. Maybe my the places ive been just keep the roads in better shape. Most of the roads ive driven on, local and not local aren't that bad. Unless the grooves are so slight you cant see them from in the car. :shrug: I don't think ive ever seen much of any trash on the roads. The shoulders, definitely. If the roads where the bad here I wouldn't be doing any triple digit runs. I do lots of track runs too. Over 10,000 passes

 

[MultiMediaWill]

Wow. Maybe my the places ive been just keep the roads in better shape. Most of the roads ive driven on, local and not local aren't that bad. Unless the grooves are so slight you cant see them from in the car. :shrug: I don't think ive ever seen much of any trash on the roads. The shoulders, definitely. If the roads where the bad here I wouldn't be doing any triple digit runs. I do lots of track runs too. Over 10,000 passes

It really depends on the location. Here in Illinois, almost all the roads and highways are terrible. However, in places like Nashville where they see little snow and ice, the roads are perfect.

 

[AmerikanishesPferd]

It's not just about potholes, uneven surfaces and debris are major culprits.
I find a vast majority of our roads to be subpar (99% was an exaggeration, I know that), you find them acceptable; that's OK. Let's just agree to disagree on the subjectivity of "bad" here. :cheers:

As for money to fix them, raising taxes would not be necessary if we just lowered our outrageous military spending <- this is not a discussion I am willing to have here.

Haha agree. :cheers:

 

[Asonitez]

Sorry that is obvious that you don't know how aero works. There is a seal the runs the full length of the rear edge of the hood preventing air from entering or existing the read edge of the hood. The vents at the base of the windshield are out side this seal ...why? Because the base of the windshield is a high pressure zone. Air pressure builds at the base of the windshield because the flow slows down as it is pushed over the windshield. A vent at the back of the hood does not help evacuate air when the car is moving and "cowl induction" hoods are an example of using this high pressure air to feed the engine. Low pressure zones are at the crest of the curve of the hood where air is moving fast as that creates a low pressure zone.

Ya most def.. never claimed to be a Aero Expert. Its nice to know that aero plays a part of keeping me on the road.

As for the other "side topic" of legality of going fast on public roads. I think a fair share of people will only go past 100 mph a few times in their life on a public road. I know there are people that "feel" they are expert drivers and love to go fast and over exaggerate their driving ability but at the end of the day they are a ticking time bomb for that person thats doing the speed limit in a mini van full of kids until they slam into them and kill everyone. I mean..... don't get me wrong its your right to go as fast as you well please.. It just sucks that when you slam into others following the law and making legal turns and merges you prematurely kill yourself, others, and ruin lives in general. I like to tell people that theres a reason professional race car drivers go the speed limit despite having the skill and experience to go 3 times the limit. Its because during a race.. you are racing people of equal ability and experience. On the road your racing the kid that got his license a few days ago, the dad thats going home after a hard day at the office, and a soccer mom with a mini van full of kids doing her turn at carpool. Yes... your an asshole for driving like a lunatic on public roads with other people oblivious to your actions.

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