Has anyone given thought to this monumental change that’s about to occur? In less than 2 years…

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Concrete is only marginally higher in cost, and would SAVE money over time vs. Asphalt. Asphalt costs about $3 a sq ft, Concrete about $5 a sq. Concrete lasts 10 times longer. Simple math tells you it costs less as a solution.
are those Chicago prices? here asphalt is about $60 or more a square yard depending on thickness and concrete doesn’t last for shit without sinking. There is very l little concrete unless it’s for ADA routes.

we actually melt tires into our asphalt here to reduce road noise.

Concrete vs asphalt depends on location.

 
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Concrete is only marginally higher in cost, and would SAVE money over time vs. Asphalt. Asphalt costs about $3 a sq ft, Concrete about $5 a sq. Concrete lasts 10 times longer. Simple math tells you it costs less as a solution.
Depends on area, Road salt, kills it fast, and repairs are not easy, Frost heaves also make a mess of it.
 

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are those Chicago prices? here asphalt is about $60 or more a square yard depending on thickness and concrete doesn’t last for shit without sinking. There is very l little concrete unless it’s for ADA routes.

we actually melt tires into our asphalt here to reduce road noise.

Concrete vs asphalt depends on location.
I think concrete works in warm climates. Asphalt is more forgiving in winter and hot areas
 

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I don't know how the EPA can set standards for the 2023 model cars. That does not give engineers enough time to change engine parameters. The 2023 engines are most likely already considered to be developed for the 2023 model cars to meet current EPA regulations.
That's why all US brands stopped making cars better to make light trucks (CUV, SUV etc) with far slacker emissions requirements.
 

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Concrete is only marginally higher in cost, and would SAVE money over time vs. Asphalt. Asphalt costs about $3 a sq ft, Concrete about $5 a sq. Concrete lasts 10 times longer. Simple math tells you it costs less as a solution.
Concrete isn't a viable option because it uses river sand, something we're actually running out of! Literally using it all. And it's not like nature has a quick timeline for replacing sand. Try replacing every road with concrete and see how long it stays cheap.

I read a statistic once that may or may not be true, but it asserted that humans have laid so much concrete since it's invention, that it outweighs all of the mass of every living organism on earth.
 

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Ok so lot's of topics to cover here:

1. Climate change to think that CO2 emissions has anything to do with Climate change is total non-sense. I guess it's CO2 to blame for the Ice Age as well and for the following heating up of the planet as well. For me is the giant yellow ball in the sky to blame for all that. Let's face it we don't understand our Sun as good to know what it was doing for the past million of years and Sun cycles are a thing.

2. EVs are great concept but I can't see then going general availability anytime soon. To expensive to produce to hard to fuel and not enough infrastructure.

3. Fossil fuels will eventually dry out so we can't use them for everything after all there is only so many dead dinosaurs that we can get our hands on.

4. CO2 emissions and burning as I see it the biggest problem is that we are destroying our forests and at the same time produce a lot of CO2 which mean that eventually the whole world will end up like China with air pollution to a point of no breading. Obvious solution is banning use of paper, and tree cutting as well as initiatives to plaint more trees.
 

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Are you his "rep" now because he can't cut it on his own, lol.

The US doesn't dictate fuel prices for the whole world. Better put a few more layers of foil on. 🙄 😆

BTW, EVs are starting to get dinged too for road taxes, etc. States know they are losing money so they are going to clamp down on EVs more as time goes on. EVs need to pay their fair share too for using the roads, no more free rides for them.
Pulling supply out of the world market affects world cude prices. so YEs, YES Us actions dictate world prices just like opec.
Ev's are not getting dinged at all.
Owners already got a 7500 tax credit. but don't let facts get in the way of your b.s.
 

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Ok so lot's of topics to cover here:

1. Climate change to think that CO2 emissions has anything to do with Climate change is total non-sense. I guess it's CO2 to blame for the Ice Age as well and for the following heating up of the planet as well. For me is the giant yellow ball in the sky to blame for all that. Let's face it we don't understand our Sun as good to know what it was doing for the past million of years and Sun cycles are a thing.

2. EVs are great concept but I can't see then going general availability anytime soon. To expensive to produce to hard to fuel and not enough infrastructure.

3. Fossil fuels will eventually dry out so we can't use them for everything after all there is only so many dead dinosaurs that we can get our hands on.

4. CO2 emissions and burning as I see it the biggest problem is that we are destroying our forests and at the same time produce a lot of CO2 which mean that eventually the whole world will end up like China with air pollution to a point of no breading. Obvious solution is banning use of paper, and tree cutting as well as initiatives to plaint more trees.
ore co2
Forest are an issue but the ocean life (plankton) converts more co2 than the trees on this rock. the ocean produces more co2 than evil man by a wide margin. All the climate alarmist leave that fact out.
Fact is mother nature controls the climate always has always will, At one point 90% of the earth surface had a mile deep covering of ice, earth warmed up to melt it without any help from humans. But there is money to be made claiming the last of the ice age ice at the poles is melting because of evil man. not that if humans were not even here, it still happen at the same rate. jet streams be damned.
Outside another big rock hitting earth. earth itself will regulate it's temp and climate.
2021's firing off of volcano's will affect earths climate more than anything we ants do.
 

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Concrete isn't a viable option because it uses river sand, something we're actually running out of! Literally using it all. And it's not like nature has a quick timeline for replacing sand. Try replacing every road with concrete and see how long it stays cheap.

I read a statistic once that may or may not be true, but it asserted that humans have laid so much concrete since it's invention, that it outweighs all of the mass of every living organism on earth.
I guess we'll just have to go back to dirt roads then......
 

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You don't get it and never will, your location explains this.
Not very original, the old California bashing…..
Is that really the best you can do?
Pretty sad……
Remind me from where you are ?
You seems to have a hard time understanding and accepting that someone can have a different opinion than your. Therefore anyone that doesn’t agree with you is simply not getting it
That do show that you seriously lack in the critical thinking department
 
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Depends on area, Road salt, kills it fast, and repairs are not easy, Frost heaves also make a mess of it.
I am in the Chicago area, we dump salt all winter and get 4 decades out of our heavily trafficked highways.
 

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Ev's are not getting dinged at all.
Owners already got a 7500 tax credit. but don't let facts get in the way of your b.s.
easy now....

Some jurisdictions ARE levying a surcharge for EV registration. Also it's why some places are looking at mileage-based road tax that both ICE and EV get to pay annually. But of course I"m sure the State won't take that off the gasoline taxes....
 

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The real question is who is benefiting from all this. Bill Gates is building a privately owned nuclear reactor in Wyoming
 

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Maybe in 30 years everyone will have an off-road EV and all there will be is dirt trails all over the country. 😂
Like when I started to drive, we had dirt roads everywhere. Lots of dust except when they sprayed OIL on them.
 

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easy now....

Some jurisdictions ARE levying a surcharge for EV registration. Also it's why some places are looking at mileage-based road tax that both ICE and EV get to pay annually. But of course I"m sure the State won't take that off the gasoline taxes....
Sure, the road tax comes off gas and is replaced with a carbon tax equivalent. Tbh im all for mileage based fees. They also need to throw gvw into the mix since heavier vehicles do way way more road damage.
 

 
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