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Hello friends. New member here. Just picked up a new 2020 gt pp1 manual leftover with active exhaust. I'm coming from a world of Miata's and WRX's. With those cars, handling is awesome, but always looking for more power. The mustang is plenty fast, but I want to make a canyon carver out of it. I understand it will never handle like them but always looking to improve. I don't care about drag racing or burnouts and donuts. Car will never be tracked. Just spirited street driving. Given that, do I need all the subframe and diff bushing upgrades or just go with let's say upgraded sways for now. I don't want to lower it because of the real world roads we have in Pa. I'll need all the suspension travel I can get. Also, some of the bracing I've seen for the IRS. Is it okay to put that on with stock diff, subframe bushings or is there a possibility of stress cracking from it trying to twist without being firmed up. Thanks in advance this site is great.
It will NEVER feel like a Miata or be that BRZ, RX-7 kind of fun. It's fun, but totally different. Definitely much more muscle car while much less "connected" than those others.

 

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It will NEVER feel like a Miata or be that BRZ, RX-7 kind of fun. It's fun, but totally different. Definitely much more muscle car while much less "connected" than those others.
haven't heard of any probs with IRS bracing. definitely helps plant the rear to transfer more of the power to the street, especially on cornering . i went with Ford track springs, Bilstein dampers and
Steeda bracing and sways on a PP1 setup. great street setup. tires and light wheels first part of any handling package...? i think so
 

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haven't heard of any probs with IRS bracing. definitely helps plant the rear to transfer more of the power to the street, especially on cornering . i went with Ford track springs, Bilstein dampers and
Steeda bracing and sways on a PP1 setup. great street setup.
++ on the Bilstein.
 

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++ on the Bilstein.
yes. first had them on a Roush converted 98 cobra...part of a handling package they offered.
again, great street shocks, tuned specifically for each vehicle. prefer adjustable for track
 

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surprised no one really mentions Steeda IRS braces which work so well with Steeda K Brace.
highly recommend dw
I have full length Jacking rails so I can't fit the IRS braces on my car. But they look cool from what I have read BMR CB762 works with full length jacking rails as well so probably will get that instead.
 

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I have full length Jacking rails so I can't fit the IRS braces on my car. But they look cool from what I have read BMR CB762 works with full length jacking rails as well so probably will get that instead.
just cut your jacking rails shorter. I mixed and match Steeda braces and BMR jacking rails. Not a good idea. but some surgery with a chop saw and the problem was solved.
 

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It will NEVER feel like a Miata or be that BRZ, RX-7 kind of fun. It's fun, but totally different. Definitely much more muscle car while much less "connected" than those others.
the mustang fun is after dancing with some of the Bumble Bees for a few corners, you go to throttle on exit to a straight and leave the buzzing behind...
 

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the mustang fun is after dancing with some of the Bumble Bees for a few corners, you go to throttle on exit to a straight and leave the buzzing behind...
sure, but I live for the corners so I throttle down on straights. Plus it gives the motor an opportunity to cool off a little bit.
 
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I have full length Jacking rails so I can't fit the IRS braces on my car. But they look cool from what I have read BMR CB762 works with full length jacking rails as well so probably will get that instead.
The Steeda jacking rails work with the Steeda IRS braces - it's an additional investment to what you have but figured I'd let you know just in case ...
 

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Miata's are go-karts. Mustangs are tough cars.

Drive it. Learn it. Live it. Love it.

Be patient and mod it if need be, but remember to be smart with your hard earned.
 

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sure, but I live for the corners so I throttle down on straights. Plus it gives the motor an opportunity to cool off a little bit.
You’re referring to…in slow, out fast?. As i tell new track drivers…anyone can step on the gas, it’ s usually more about braking
that defines ability
 

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You’re referring to…in slow, out fast?
basically yes.

Eg. Summit Point T10 I'll accelerate all the way thru the curve, long before pit out I'll fetch 6th gear and toodle the rest of the mile straight at buck-ten instead of keeping my foot planted in a quest for 150 before having to get on the binders. And while I drum my fingers on the steering wheel I can grab a drink and scratch my ass.

I'm a fan of no-brake drills where you do the entire lap in 3rd or 4th gear and you only get to use brakes lightly in T1 and T5. I also try to practice the principle of ONE steering input into a corner. Then use throttle to push or pull on the trajectory. Not all corners are amenable to it but I think it's good practice and much preferable to sawing at the wheel.

IMO getting corner entry right is the most important part of driving.

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basically yes.

Eg. Summit Point T10 I'll accelerate all the way thru the curve, long before pit out I'll fetch 6th gear and toodle the rest of the mile straight at buck-ten instead of keeping my foot planted in a quest for 150 before having to get on the binders. And while I drum my fingers on the steering wheel I can grab a drink and scratch my ass.

I'm a fan of no-brake drills where you do the entire lap in 3rd or 4th gear and you only get to use brakes lightly in T1 and T5. I also try to practice the principle of ONE steering input into a corner. Then use throttle to push or pull on the trajectory. Not all corners are amenable to it but I think it's good practice and much preferable to sawing at the wheel.

IMO getting corner entry right is the most important part of driving.

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love it...track notes and everything! 5-6-7 looks like a set it/forget it maintenance throttle. love those. 3rd gear laps, no brake rolling exercises, etc all the above sounds good
 

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love it...track notes and everything! 5-6-7 looks like a set it/forget it maintenance throttle. love those. 3rd gear laps, no brake rolling exercises, etc all the above sounds good
This is some next level part throttle racing right there :D
 

 
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