GT350 vs Supra / M2 Comp / 718 Cayman Review -- C&D Article Oct 2019

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    #1 lightrules, Sep 25, 2019
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    Read the online version @ https://www.caranddriver.com/review...d-mustang-shelby-gt350-vs-porsche-718-cayman/



    Just got my Oct 2019 issue of Car & Driver in the mail today. They compare a 2019 GT350, 2019 M2 Competition, 2018 718 Cayman, and 2020 Supra Launch Edition. It was a fun read. I've scanned the entire article below. If this is not appropriate to do, Mods please feel free to delete the thread. Anyway, I won't play spoiler so check it out...

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    1.08g on the skidpad? Holy smokes. When I was growing up, the E46 M3 was my dream car(no longer), and at the time it was touted as handled like it was on rails. The slalom on that was .87g. I think the GT350 is officially a sports car now with the cars it's constantly pitted up against.
     
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    It’s impressive that the 350 is still winning tests into its 5th model year. All these cars in this test are interesting to me, it’s nice to know we still have the best one.
     
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    #4 dpAtlanta, Sep 25, 2019
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    Thanks lightrules...!!!!!!!
    As one could imagine, I was VERY interested in this write-up.
    I am going to have to buy the hard copy.
    The Shelby and the Cayman are world's apart. I have the privilege of getting out of one, and directly into the other.
    To the seat of the pants meter, the Porsche feels quicker and the handling is more refined. The Shelby's stopping fells slightly better; that might be due to the fact that there is considerably more momentum to change.
    The deal breaker is the audible pleasure that is delivered from the Flat Planed Crank... especially with the resonators removed.
     
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    #5 firestarter2, Sep 25, 2019
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    Interesting I was considering the m2 or the supra as my next car if I was going to DD it. If I remove the categories I do not care about the supra wins..

    Im curious how the M2 Comp became so bad they raved about the M2 when it came out.
     
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    the supra seems like a decent performer and probably a very nice driving car. but man, i cannot get over its putrid looks. that rear end is so ugly i honestly get angry looking at it. to me it looks like an alien mated with a miata.
     
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    I like the way it looks to be honest. I also like the size.
     
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    My friend has an M2 Comp and my brother has an M240i. Both are great cars and make great daily's. I love my R to death, but it's not a daily driver. If I could only have one car and it also had to be my daily, the M2 Comp would be perfect.
     
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    i daily my 350, i think its great. the 1/4 mile racing seems like a negligible stat for these cars. Id like to see some 20-100, 40-100 or something as that seems more prevalent on a track. I mean also everyone loves a NA v8 singing to 8000+ RPM ive never meet a person who didnt appreciate the car.
     
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    Life is too short to only own one car......
    I am looking to add the GT350 to my stable next year, unfortunately still undecided if "R" or "non-R".....
     
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    That was why I initially purchased a non-R GT350. I didn't want to spend the money for an R, and I felt the R was less practical as a daily driver. I also didn't want to spend $60k for something that I wouldn't use a lot.

    I think the regular GT350 makes an awesome daily driver.
     
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    I drove a 718 recently and I have to agree, what a chassis.......until you feel that motor and realize what a let down it is. Completely ruins the entire car. Truly an abomination.
     
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    I was just thinking of this, and I agree :) If I was to have only one car, I would probably choose the M2 competition.

    If under strict budget, I would buy the older E92 M3 coupe.
     
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    Ive heard the E92 M3 motor runs out of gas up top making the car feel slow.
     
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    Wow... abomination? Wow!
     
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    I read the article over the weekend. Yes, old school print magazine. :)

    The first thing I said to my spouse (who humors me on this stuff) is that it is -shocking- that C&D voted the oldest model to the top. They are notorious for giving the latest model the top rating. Also surprising that the Bimmer was at the bottom, given that they have been accused of being the biggest BMW fanboys bar none.

    Anyway - a great showing for the GT350, and quite validating for those of us that cross shopped and know just how fun it is to drive.

    Regarding the comment above about the E92 - that was a great BMW. I bought one. However, its V8 does run out of umph. I still have a B7 RS4, which is so much more rewarding than the E92. I think I still like the RS4 better than the GT350, but I drive the GT350 more. :)
     
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    I for one am not surprised by this outcome. Had an R and now have a GT3 RS. The 350/R is operating on a different level vs its direct competition and I think is more in the realm of GT3/RS. Granted, the reliability of the R wasn't there for me, but supposedly the problems are now corrected. If so, it is one of the best performance car values and a car with real, distinct character that is not replicated by anything at any price point.
     
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    I just traded a M240 for a '19 GT350 because I missed my '17 GT350. I could find no fault with the BMW with nearly the same acceleration and 30 mpg on the highway. I averaged 24 mpg. But cars are not about gas mileage to me, they are about soul and the BMW has no soul compared to the GT350. Every time I fire up that flat plane crank engine and run through the gears I realize what driving a car is all about. There is nothing like it. I will change the tires for something more livable when the Cup 2's wear out however.
     
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    Interesting... I owned 3 Audi's, trying to forget them all... Never again. Horrible handling cars for a premium price; clunky manual gearboxes (almost unusable in winter), disconnected steering, failing timing chains (my S4 and my first S, the 2002 S3). Every bloody switch in the cabin was replaced at some point after about 6 years of ownership in my S3.
    I never had an issue with my M3's see how many I owned in the sig... Ok, the M5 V10 must have been the icing on the cake, best of all. But boy, did that car needed TLC...
     
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    Buy some lightweight wheels and ceramic breaks for that "normal" gt350 and you have the R beat anyway. ;)
     
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