GT350 Carbon Ceramic Brakes - 2022 Update

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So I bought the RacingBrake CCB kit and got it installed last weekend. The one thing that all the reading can't prepare you for is how big and how light these rotors are in real life.

Here's the 394x38 Brembo CCB rotor on the RB hat:

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And here's the OEM 394x36 Brembo iron rotor on the OEM hat:

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Installing the rotors is no more work than changing pads - they are a direct replacement. I installed mine with the RB XT910 street pads. I hadn't decided what pads I really wanted to run, and I figured they were an easy choice while I figured it out. I have a brand new set of Pagid RS29 pads on hand, and they're good for use with CCB brakes for track work, so it's street pads to start with.

Here's the finished install:

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Here's what the different pads look like - on the left, a Pagid RS29, then the RB street pad and then a new OEM GT350 pad. Yes, that's a titanium shim on the far left.

You can see how shiny and metallic the RB pad is compared to the other two:

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I've done a little bit of driving with the car since the install, but weather has been a factor - who wants a brake review done in the rain?

The dry day I had a chance to drive around city streets was very interesting. The RB street pads deliver a good pedal with excellent modulation, but they're definitely mild-mannered street pads. They feel a lot like Carbotech 1521's - quiet, competent and easy to drive. They don't have the same bite that the OEM pads do, but that's fine with me. I have racing pads for that.

I've got some track time planned in July so, if my day job doesn't intervene, I'll grab some data from the day and report back. CCB rotors are heat sensitive - keep them under 1300 degrees F and they'll last; let them get too hot and they won't. I've bought a set of rotor temperature paints from Pegasus and I'll mark the rotors before I go out. I'm expecting that they'll work fine but there's no way to know until you try.
 

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By chance did you do any vBox braking tests before you installed the CCB's? Would be nice to see before/after tests.
 

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Nice set up..... These look like the carbon rotors on '14 and '15 Z/28. I remember reading about some of their early track test with these carbon-ceramic brake system.... The only problem was that the achieved 1.5 g in deceleration force also happened to be enough to slip the rims inside the tires, all the way around according to the chalk line put next to the valve stem at the beginning of a test lap. By Media-blasting the wheel created an extremely aggressive grit on the rim, which finally got the tire to hold. Great brakes, indeed.
 


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I have VBox data from last year with OEM pads and MPSC2's.
You can upload to www.vboxtools.com, click "Enable Braking and Deceleration Tests" and submit. The following braking tests are supported:

Deceleration Tests
20-0 MPH (Decel)
30-0 MPH (Decel)
60-0 MPH (Decel)
75-0 MPH (Decel)
100-0 MPH (Decel)

Brake Triggered Tests
20-0 MPH (Brake Triggered)
30-0 MPH (Brake Triggered)
60-0 MPH (Brake Triggered)
75-0 MPH (Brake Triggered)
100-0 MPH (Brake Triggered)

Try it on your current files and see if you hit some of those tests...then try the same thing with the new brakes. If none of those tests cover what you did, then let me know an I can add a custom test (e.g. 100-20, etc.).
 

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Those are NICE! and impressive weight loss!!!! I just cant justify, for myself, the cost and life of these rotors for me. The OEM steal rotor and pad combo are really good especially with the CF wheels. I guess if your setup is 3x better vs OEM it is worth it but you wont get 3x more life over OEM and that is my issue. Looking forward to your review and data.
 

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How do you make sure you dont break them putting the wheels on?
 
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How much were those puppies? I reckon an arm and a leg?

Also did you change the back rotos too?
 

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wow...those are awesome!
 

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How long do these last relative to the stock hardware?
Much, much longer than your current system.... Even with track use. But you have to stay on top of your pads..... CCB pads have to be replaced after approximately 60 to 70% of use for obvious reason.... to protect these (very expensive) CCB rotors.
 

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I disagree about life expectancy.

“This feature means that the wear resistance of Carbon Ceramic Material guarantees an approximate disc life of 150,000 km (93,000 miles) for road use and 2,000 km (2,400 miles) for extreme track use (e.g. Ferrari Challenge)."

I am sure the steel rotors will last longer and so will the pads.
I remember Ford saying they tried CC rotors and found no real gains in brake performance and instead provided less feel until warm.

“Despite repeated heavy braking, its 15.7-inch front and 15.6-inch diameter rear brakes never showed any sign of fading, and our tester wasn’t even equipped with the optional carbon-ceramic units.”

My point is that for un-sprung weight definitely a plus but for stopping power not so much. A better tire will give you better stop power as the tire controls adhesion and grip.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/...houldnt-upgrade-to-carbon-ceramic-brakes.html
 
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For 32lbs in weight savings and the slight increase in braking isn't enough to out weight the the $5,700 price tag. You can buy SS brake lines, better brakes and fluid and come close. Not to mention that a carbon fiber driveshaft with net you pretty close to the 30lbs range in weight savings and that's only $1,100.

Don't get me wrong, they look awesome and I wish I had them. I just feel like $5,700 can be better spent to improve the whole car.
 

 
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