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I agree there’s not a manual car run 8 psi going that fast. I don’t care how good you drive.
How much boost does it make then? 85mm pulley. 3rd gear start with 3.73s runs 4th out to 130 so it's not hard to drive lol.
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Does he have a mechanical boost gauge or just going off of what it’s suppose to make? My car is only suppose to make 8.5 psi on a pulley but has run 4.8 on e30 60-130 . It made 12 in 36 deg weather . 0 DA


How much boost does it make then? 85mm pulley. 3rd gear start with 3.73s runs 4th out to 130 so it's not hard to drive lol.
 

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Does he have a mechanical boost gauge or just going off of what it’s suppose to make? My car is only suppose to make 8.5 psi on a pulley but has run 4.8 on e30 60-130 . It made 12 in 36 deg weather . 0 DA
No mechanical gauge. I don't get what's so hard to believe. He runs 6.1 with what roush and vmp claim as an 8psi pulley and you claim 4.8 on 12psi. There's no fluff here, he posted his weight, dyno sheet, dragy slips, the tune has 23 degrees, DA was great on his runs, the tires are 305 19" Nitto NTO5R that measured 27" tall, shifts are 8000, starts dragy in 3rd and bangs 1 gear and rides it just past 130mph.
 

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Because my car is a Gen 3 10r80 with drag pack, 12 psi, 36deg weather and seats removed to get that 4.8. But I do understand there's people that just know how to make the best out of a combo and doing that compared to most. So props to him.


No mechanical gauge. I don't get what's so hard to believe. He runs 6.1 with what roush and vmp claim as an 8psi pulley and you claim 4.8 on 12psi. There's no fluff here, he posted his weight, dyno sheet, dragy slips, the tune has 23 degrees, DA was great on his runs, the tires are 305 19" Nitto NTO5R that measured 27" tall, shifts are 8000, starts dragy in 3rd and bangs 1 gear and rides it just past 130mph.
 
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Ran a best of 5.09 60-130 and 5.06 100-150 in good weather (second part of this video), 3.75 pulley, e50, full weight (actually above full weight I have a trailer hitch). Paddle shifting at 8k in track mode. May have done slightly better in dragstrip mode idk. Car dynoed at 770 rwhp in the summer, probably over 800 in the video in good weather.

 
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Because my car is a Gen 3 10r80 with drag pack, 12 psi, 36deg weather and seats removed to get that 4.8. But I do understand there's people that just know how to make the best out of a combo and doing that compared to most. So props to him.
What's the car weigh with drag pack and interior removed? What's it weigh in street trim?

How much power? Better yet a dyno graph to plot gearing and match it to speed and rpm and see how much avg power it's putting down between it's widest gear split. In your videos it's shifting at 7500 correct? What gear are you starting in and do you have 3.55s?
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Have no clue never weight it. It’s PP1 premium car so heavy. No weight reduction besides the drag pack and passenger rear seat removed.

Never dyno the car

Shifts around 7600

I start in 3rd gear and yes 3.55 gears

Street trim is nitto 555r2 305/35/20

Drag pack is 305/45r17

Best pass full interior and street is a 5.2
Best pass passenger , rear seat and drag pack is 4.8


What's the car weigh with drag pack and interior removed? What's it weigh in street trim?

How much power? Better yet a dyno graph to plot gearing and match it to speed and rpm and see how much avg power it's putting down between it's widest gear split. In your videos it's shifting at 7500 correct? What gear are you starting in and do you have 3.55s?
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Have no clue never weight it. It’s PP1 premium car so heavy. No weight reduction besides the drag pack and passenger rear seat removed.

Never dyno the car

Shifts around 7600

I start in 3rd gear and yes 3.55 gears

Street trim is nitto 555r2 305/35/20

Drag pack is 305/45r17

Best pass full interior and street is a 5.2
Best pass passenger , rear seat and drag pack is 4.8
Both Mike's and my car both are street trim but lightened flywheel, driveshaft, Mike stock axles, Baer Eradispeed rotors for PP car, light 19" street wheels 50 front, 52 rear. His car has 3.73 and at 60mph he's at peak tq in 3rd 615 ft lbs and runs through trap at 130 at peak hp. He was in negative DA on his times.

As fast and impressive as your numbers are i believe there's still more in the tank. You have gt350 manifold/ tb correct? From seeing all the dyno graphs and setups AED has done i believe you have quite a bit of room to go to improve your times just by having it shift higher. Match that tb/ manifold better, higher boost and more avg power that'd be closer to your peak#.

My buddy with Procharger carb kit with A10 and stock 20 manifold peaked at 7800. It rolled over fairly quick after that. AED tuned the shifts to make the highest avg between each split based off the graph, most of which were around 8k.

Most whipple cars won't be shifted high enough to be fast. Here's one AED did on an 18+. A10 has tight gear splits 1000rpm some tighter, but simulate how much is left on the table because of short shifting. Mt82 is around 2000 rpm on a wide split, slightly tighter as you go up.

7500 drop to on a shift to 6500 A10
7500 drop to 5500 mt82

8300 drop to 7300 A10
8300 drop to 6300 mt82

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Yes there’s some left in the car shifting it higher but Ask for little lower shift points as I still have stock opg.

Both Mike's and my car both are street trim but lightened flywheel, driveshaft, Mike stock axles, Baer Eradispeed rotors for PP car, light 19" street wheels 50 front, 52 rear. His car has 3.73 and at 60mph he's at peak tq in 3rd 615 ft lbs and runs through trap at 130 at peak hp. He was in negative DA on his times.

As fast and impressive as your numbers are i believe there's still more in the tank. You have gt350 manifold/ tb correct? From seeing all the dyno graphs and setups AED has done i believe you have quite a bit of room to go to improve your times just by having it shift higher. Match that tb/ manifold better, higher boost and more avg power that'd be closer to your peak#.

My buddy with Procharger carb kit with A10 and stock 20 manifold peaked at 7800. It rolled over fairly quick after that. AED tuned the shifts to make the highest avg between each split based off the graph, most of which were around 8k.

Most whipple cars won't be shifted high enough to be fast. Here's one AED did on an 18+. A10 has tight gear splits 1000rpm some tighter, but simulate how much is left on the table because of short shifting. Mt82 is around 2000 rpm on a wide split, slightly tighter as you go up.

7500 drop to on a shift to 6500 A10
7500 drop to 5500 mt82

8300 drop to 7300 A10
8300 drop to 6300 mt82

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4100+ lbs, 3.7 pulley, pump gas, no boostane, 16* timing, paddle shifting at 7800, 3.55 rear gear, 2200ft and 3200DA. Car ran 6.3 60-130.
 

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Both Mike's and my car both are street trim but lightened flywheel, driveshaft, Mike stock axles, Baer Eradispeed rotors for PP car, light 19" street wheels 50 front, 52 rear. His car has 3.73 and at 60mph he's at peak tq in 3rd 615 ft lbs and runs through trap at 130 at peak hp. He was in negative DA on his times.

As fast and impressive as your numbers are i believe there's still more in the tank. You have gt350 manifold/ tb correct? From seeing all the dyno graphs and setups AED has done i believe you have quite a bit of room to go to improve your times just by having it shift higher. Match that tb/ manifold better, higher boost and more avg power that'd be closer to your peak#.

My buddy with Procharger carb kit with A10 and stock 20 manifold peaked at 7800. It rolled over fairly quick after that. AED tuned the shifts to make the highest avg between each split based off the graph, most of which were around 8k.

Most whipple cars won't be shifted high enough to be fast. Here's one AED did on an 18+. A10 has tight gear splits 1000rpm some tighter, but simulate how much is left on the table because of short shifting. Mt82 is around 2000 rpm on a wide split, slightly tighter as you go up.

7500 drop to on a shift to 6500 A10
7500 drop to 5500 mt82

8300 drop to 7300 A10
8300 drop to 6300 mt82

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While I agree with AED's post, the results are spurious and misleading.

The true "gains" would have been for them to provide the same tuning effort with a custom tune on 91 vs their custom tune on E85.

There's some slack in going straight from the whipple conservative tune to the custom E85 tune. while there would still be considerable gains, it wouldn't be as much if it was a true custom baseline on 91.
 

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While I agree with AED's post, the results are spurious and misleading.

The true "gains" would have been for them to provide the same tuning effort with a custom tune on 91 vs their custom tune on E85.

There's some slack in going straight from the whipple conservative tune to the custom E85 tune. while there would still be considerable gains, it wouldn't be as much if it was a true custom baseline on 91.
The post wasn't to show his gain going to E85 and custom vs a whipple tune on 91. It was to show that if you short shift you stand to lose upwards of 50+ avg hp down the track even though the peak number wouldn't change much. Whipples love rpm and most don't take advantage of it. Which is why you see one guy run really impressive numbers and others don't. Also, he will not tune an 18+ with boost on 91, additive or not.
 

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The post wasn't to show his gain going to E85 and custom vs a whipple tune on 91. It was to show that if you short shift you stand to lose upwards of 50+ avg hp down the track even though the peak number wouldn't change much. Whipples love rpm and most don't take advantage of it. Which is why you see one guy run really impressive numbers and others don't. Also, he will not tune an 18+ with boost on 91, additive or not.
I get it, but it included a separate point about the advantages of E85.

Short shifting is obvious as long as the car is making sauce up to redline. If the peak happens more than 1000 rpm below redline then it's either not helpful or actually harmful to time (and added risk) banging right before the limiter. But most gen 3 whipple cars on good lungs will continue making power up high.
 

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Going to bring this one back up. Would like to see more gen 5 Whipple 60-130 times on 18+ cars.

Here is mine with the details:

- 2019 Mustang GT 10R80
- 3.15 gears
- gen 5 Whipple 3.0 stage 2 kit
- headers
- 3.75” pulley
- pump 93 octane, zero octane booster
- stock 19x8.5 front wheels
- Enkei RPF1 19x10 rears with MT ETSS 305/45R17

Went 5.94 starting in second but spinning top of second and the 2>3 shift. It short shifted fourth as well because of the wheel spin. I also have more power on the table in the tune. I believe, with some tweaks to the calibration, the car has a 5.7X in it on pure pump 93 in the same DA as this run (57’) assuming it doesn’t spin.

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