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[Gregs24]

At $2.19/gallon it will.

But petrol in the US is nearer $3 a gallon ?

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[Cory S]

But petrol in the US is nearer $3 a gallon ?

Right now yes.

 

[Gregs24]

Right now yes.

Which is still cheap !

We are about $8.24 for a UK gallon

 

[K4fxd]

We are about $8.24 for a UK gallon

6 dollars of that is tax. Shakes head...

ICE's generate a LOT of waste heat.

So do electric motors.

A car engine manages 25% efficiency compared to an electric motor at 75%

ICE take a form of energy and convert it to motion, 1 step.
Electric;
takes a form of energy turns it to electric then converts it to motion, 2 steps. Each step has a loss.

 

[Gregs24]

6 dollars of that is tax. Shakes head...


So do electric motors.


ICE take a form of energy and convert it to motion, 1 step.
Electric;
takes a form of energy turns it to electric then converts it to motion, 2 steps. Each step has a loss.

More than 6 dollars in tax I suspect. The way it works over here and everywhere, if you don't pay it there, it will be taken somewhere else.

Electric motors generate much less wasted heat. That is what efficiency is! ICE is 20% efficient, even in F1 with hybrid systems they are only managing 50%

Latter point is pointless ! There are many steps between the source and the final use - electricity doesn't require transport costs of the same magnitude as fuel. Electricity doesn't have to be pumped or mined etc. You can't just look at a small segment of the whole process and use that as an argument either way.

Petrol will generate about 13kWh per litre. 1 litre will take you 10 miles at most. 14kWh EV battery will take you 35 to 40 miles because of the better efficiency.

It isn't new - everybody understands that an EV is about 4 times more energy efficient than an ICE car when it comes to energy consumption per mile. Clearly it is crucial HOW you generate that electricity which is why nations pushing on with electrification use renewable sources to a greater extent.

Of course all of this ignores the pollution benefits at the point of use with an EV, which are huge, and driving the whole process in cities. Again the point above about where the electricity is generated is crucial - no point doing it with coal or oil and just moving the pollution elsewhere.

 

[K4fxd]

EV cars are like CFL light bulbs. Not the answer.

 

[Gregs24]

EV cars are like CFL light bulbs. Not the answer.

Well EV is the propulsion method that will be used in the future (and now) - how the energy reaches the electric motor, whether that be battery, Hydrogen fuel cell, hydrogen ICE hybrid or a combination of all of them is the only real question.

 

[K4fxd]

OK, plug in EV's are like CFL light bulbs, not the answer.

Happy?

 

[Gregs24]

OK, plug in EV's are like CFL light bulbs, not the answer.

Happy?

They have a role in the answer which will be multi faceted. (nice word that I felt hasn't been used enough recently )

 

[CrowsHeadSoup]

well.... unless of course everyone wants to riot in the streets about it...

I think the term is now "Peaceful Protest."

 

[Gregs24]

Ford to revive F-150 Lightning name for new electric pick-up | Autocar

 

[Silver Bullitt]

Ford to revive F-150 Lightning name for new electric pick-up | Autocar

I guess you missed that like 5 pages back.

 

[TTown]

This of course depends where you live and the car market is global. You may live in a country where ICE cars are not banned, but if everywhere else is, then they still will not get made. With no ICE cars to be sold after 2030 in Europe that is one big market that is closing to ICE cars and will impact carmakers - especially when they see the direction of travel.
[/QUOTE]

My point still stands. That is, gasoline will still be around and available for 30 years plus. Even if the pace of shifting to electric is quicker than expected, ICE cars will linger and need to be fueled for a long time.

 

[Gregs24]

My point still stands. That is, gasoline will still be around and available for 30 years plus. Even if the pace of shifting to electric is quicker than expected, ICE cars will linger and need to be fueled for a long time.

I hope for the classic car industry there will be something to burn for many years to come - although ultimately it may be a synthetic fuel. Ironically really old cars will often run on pretty much anything, it will be cars built now that will be difficult to fuel in 50 years plus. A bit like the classic F1 cars, where up to about 1990 they are relatively easy to run but from then on they become very difficult because of the specialist fuels and electronics that rely on Windows NT or XP laptops

 

[v8hgt]

This of course depends where you live and the car market is global. You may live in a country where ICE cars are not banned, but if everywhere else is, then they still will not get made. With no ICE cars to be sold after 2030 in Europe that is one big market that is closing to ICE cars and will impact carmakers - especially when they see the direction of travel.

My point still stands. That is, gasoline will still be around and available for 30 years plus. Even if the pace of shifting to electric is quicker than expected, ICE cars will linger and need to be fueled for a long time.
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What we in the rest of the world need to get our heads round is that America often doesn’t look very far outside it’s boarders. Maybe to Canada… no further. Think about all those big American pickups that account for a huge percentage of US sales and bank roll V8’s in our mustangs. They don’t even bother trying to ship those vehicles outside of North America as there is no market for them in the rest of the world. It will only be when some of the more progress states start to close the ICE market that will cause change to happen in the American market as a whole.

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