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Wait until everybody clues in on the environmental impact of batteries. Alos I'm guessing there is much more oil left than Lithium
Recycling of batteries is already taking place along with the rest of the car. US actually is better at this than most places at around 85% recycled. Of course BEV is only part of the story for the future, Hydrogen is likely to be a big part too, especially in commercial vehicles.

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There's over 78 ICE engines in R+D now that aren't planned to roll out until the next 7-12 years. ICE's aren't going anywhere for at least 25+ years. Not until they build a ton of nuclear plants and completely restructure the current countries support grid, which would take at LEAST 20-25 years.

All these EV's BS ban ICE sale promises, are just pipe dream goals that will not be met. Guaranteed.
That old chestnut gets rolled out all the time, usually by 'hopecasters'. Norway are managing it OK so it is possible to make it work if you plan ahead. The same was said about ICE cars in the 1800's - they will never replace the horse !
 

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Hydrogen folks, hydrogen.
I think ultimately yes. Still need a small battery (as in the Mirai) and infrastructure as with petrol but adding hydrogen facilities to existing stations wouldn't be so hard. Creating hydrogen is energy intensive but can be done using renewable energy sources. Hydrogen trains, busses and trucks are all in use in the UK now at various stages of roll out. Busses the most advanced with fleets of them in use.

The new Mirai is a fully working car that requires no compromises from the driver - it just drives like a regular car and the price is now close to regular ICE cars too.
 

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That old chestnut gets rolled out all the time, usually by 'hopecasters'. Norway are managing it OK so it is possible to make it work if you plan ahead. The same was said about ICE cars in the 1800's - they will never replace the horse !
Nobody said “they will never replace the horse”. LOL.
 

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Any estimate of when electric vehicles will take over is complete garbage. Total and complete garbage.

Electric vehicles will become the standard when the economics support them. The problem with electrics in this day and age is they don’t solve any problem. When they are a cheaper to drive and own they will displace ICE. Until that day comes it won’t happen.

The government may try to impoverish people into changing but that rarely works when there is no actual problem to solve.
 

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Any estimate of when electric vehicles will take over is complete garbage. Total and complete garbage.

Electric vehicles will become the standard when the economics support them. The problem with electrics in this day and age is they don’t solve any problem. When they are a cheaper to drive and own they will displace ICE. Until that day comes it won’t happen.

The government may try to impoverish people into changing but that rarely works when there is no actual problem to solve.
This may have been true a few years ago...but politicians have pretty much all lost their collective minds and can't be trusted to follow any logical path.
 

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Nobody said “they will never replace the horse”. LOL.
The horse is here to stay, but the automobile is only a novelty — a fad. — Advice from a president of the Michigan Savings Bank to Henry Ford’s lawyer Horace Rackham.
 

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Any estimate of when electric vehicles will take over is complete garbage. Total and complete garbage.

Electric vehicles will become the standard when the economics support them. The problem with electrics in this day and age is they don’t solve any problem. When they are a cheaper to drive and own they will displace ICE. Until that day comes it won’t happen.

The government may try to impoverish people into changing but that rarely works when there is no actual problem to solve.
The problem that needs solving is the pollution in our cities. This is being solved by banning ICE vehicles from city centres and improving air quality. You may not think this is a problem but many others (especially those living in cities) do.

75% of all new cars sold in Norway are now plug in (mostly EV and about 20% PHEV) Not garbage estimates - just facts.
 

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Start being concerned when the F-150 stops having the V8 as an option.
Until then, it's a safe bet it'll continue to be in a Mustang, which I don't see ending for a good long while.

Regardless of the bumbles they make, they know the Mustang car 'formula' of RWD/V8.
(selling out the nameplate for an EV SU-whatever because they didn't think the Oval could sell it on its own. But that's besides the point).

He's not wrong though. They aren't doing them as a favor.
If people didn't buy them, they wouldn't make them.
 

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This may have been true a few years ago...but politicians have pretty much all lost their collective minds and can't be trusted to follow any logical path.
They haven’t lost their mind. They are getting rich out of their mind pushing these crazy policies. It’s not one or the other either. They are both the same.


The problem that needs solving is the pollution in our cities. This is being solved by banning ICE vehicles from city centres and improving air quality. You may not think this is a problem but many others (especially those living in cities) do.

75% of all new cars sold in Norway are now plug in (mostly EV and about 20% PHEV) Not garbage estimates - just facts.

Exporting pollution to the country is not a solution. That’s the same as cleaning your room by shoving clothes under the bed. While you might be hiding it you are not changing anything besides location.

I absolutely love when people point at Norway. One of the top oil producing counties in the world by population that has a massive souvenir wealth fund from oil revenue with 5 million people. They run a 14% budget surplus and GDP per capa is 20% high than the US again funded by oil. Using oil revenues to purchase electric cars just makes me laugh.
 

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They haven’t lost their mind. They are getting rich out of their mind pushing these crazy policies. It’s not one or the other either. They are both the same.





Exporting pollution to the country is not a solution. That’s the same as cleaning your room by shoving clothes under the bed. While you might be hiding it you are not changing anything besides location.

I absolutely love when people point at Norway. One of the top oil producing counties in the world by population that has a massive souvenir wealth fund from oil revenue with 5 million people. They run a 14% budget surplus and GDP per capa is 20% high than the US again funded by oil. Using oil revenues to purchase electric cars just makes me laugh.
Who is exporting the pollution to the countryside ?

The point is that Norway is proving that EV's can replace the ICE, which was being stated couldn't possibly happen.

Oh and ..

Norway's oil and gas exploration drops sharply, regulator says | Reuters
 

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Who is exporting the pollution to the countryside ?

The point is that Norway is proving that EV's can replace the ICE, which was being stated couldn't possibly happen.

Oh and ..

Norway's oil and gas exploration drops sharply, regulator says | Reuters
It is a matter of scale. Norway is teeny-tiny in comparison to the US. New York City has more people. It is magnitudes easier to do such things in places like Norway. There are other issues too. They are more homogenous as a people, they have different mindsets about things, tax structure, laws, etc.
 

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It is a matter of scale. Norway is teeny-tiny in comparison to the US. New York City has more people. It is magnitudes easier to do such things in places like Norway. There are other issues too. They are more homogenous as a people, they have different mindsets about things, tax structure, laws, etc.
But their resources and infrastructure are in proportion to their size, in fact they are a pretty large land mass for a small population.

It's more a case of demonstrating to the 'it can't ever happen' brigade that it can. Although the UK is a few years behind the transformation is happening here too. We now have a PHEV (which we do plug in and charge from our own PV's) and we run it almost exclusively electric. It just works for everyday commuting and shopping trips (which is all most people ever do). Yes it has the ICE for longer journeys which is great, but at the end of the day that is just providing power to the electric motor as well and could be replaced by something else such as a hydrogen fuel cell.

I love my V8 but I also understand the world moves on - with or without us.
 

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