Drag/street car build

[mustang_guy]

proven results > shop art pieces.......

as far as im concerned that blackbird kit is a whole lot of money for shop art until its proven to make results.

You say that til you deal with back pressure issues designed from poorly designed downpipe, turbos with too small of a housing compounding the issue farther. I guess you haven't seen or heard of the quality control issues. When you have parts breaking i dont care if it had a respectable number down the 1/4. Especially when the kits have less than 10k. :lol:

Melissa Urist is in the 8's with her hellion twins!!!

Their kit isnt the only one in the 8s. However this kit has never made it to market.

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[16MustangVet]

I have heard of the quality issuess on the hellion kit and the supposed rumors the jpc car isnt as quick as advertised some claim the jpc car was on a larger turbo and on nitrous.

quality or not you cannot deny the results. id just have the hellion kit coated or make new cold side plumbing.

point is and always has been hellion has proven results while the blackbird kits continue to sit in boxes.

ohh and as for the 10k figure........ id rather buy a kit that produces results than spend 10k on a kit that looks pretty but no one knows the results.

 

[16MustangVet]

centri's never get enough credit imo.

yes i realize this is in a s197 body but people be like hellions in the 8s meanwhile beefcake went 7s with a centri.....

LOL error404 turbos not found. error404 qulity issues not found.

whats with this bullshit not allowing a link to another site........ God forbid dont look at it its a different site!!! so lame.

anyways beefcake racings 7 second vortech car is what im talking about.....

 

[mustang_guy]

I,have heard of the quality issuess on the helkion kit amd the supposed runors the jpc car isnt as quick as advertised some claim the jpc car wasnon a larger turbo and on nitrous.

quality or not you cannot deny the results. id just have the hellion kit coated or make new cold side plumping.

point is and always has been hellion has proven results while the blackbird kits continue to sit in boxes.

Jpc does have some questionable stuff going on. Its one of the reasons im going with CPR. Hellion have had more than just cold side issues but they would deny it all day on the forums if called out. They have had lots of header issues too. Hellions kit reminds me of the ls 5.3 truck engines with cheap turbo kits on it. Sure it works well, for a small period of time. You spend 10g or more and get crap. Ive used one of their kits back when it came out for the 03-04 cobra. Fitment was slightly better than an on3 type brand kit and i also had piping failure. I was at least not foolish enough to go with their smallest turbo offering. I used the largest. If i was goin to do twins itd be a boostworks kits hands down. I dont deny blackbird needs track times but i cant in good conscious ever send anyone Hellions way. Especially with the crap they pull with dynos they post on forums. Using correction factor on a turbo car at their elevation is just shitty buisness practice. Itll never make that power at sea level. They deserve no ones money. Try asking hellion for a dyno plot with uncorrected numbers. :lol:

 

[mustang_guy]

centri's never get enough credit imo.

yes i realize this is in a s197 body but people be like hellions in the 8s meanwhile beefcake went 7s with a centri.....

LOL error404 turbos not found. error404 qulity issues not found.

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I totally support centri, hands down the best way to be supercharged. I passed on running a YSI-B from him or an procharger f1a94 because while they are awesome i just dont like losing power to make it nor do i like the added pull on my cranks snout. They are an incredible bang for the buck. I entertained the idea for about a year. But once i saw hellion kit wasnt the only kit that was going to exist anymore i jumped ship instantly. Im personally very familiar with his car running 7s. Centrifugal just flat out works.

 

[16MustangVet]

why not go boostworks low mount twin kit then? they seem like most reputable twin kit around. im no fan or top mount twins either.

im about 99%sure my car will be getting paxton cams opg upgrades and havnt decided on intake yet and will be on e85. looking to have jpc do it or beefcake depends on who i can get best deals from and jpc will be local this summer once im out in washington dc.

i can do paxton opg upgrades and cams for less than pretty much all the twin kits.

itll be plenty any stock short block can handle and im not much of a fan of A2W intercoolers and not a fan of top mount twins so i think centri with a2a intercooler will be most reliable / drama free.

ohh and i dont care too much for low end ill still be able to blow the tires off and living in north dakota its mostly interstate brawls lol. ride dat centri to 8k rpm baby.

 

[mustang_guy]

why not go boostworks low mount twin kit then? they seem like most reputable twin kit around. im no fan or top mount twins either.

im about 99%sure my car will be getting paxton cams opg upgrades and havnt decided on intake yet and will be on e85. looming to habe joc do it or beefcake depends on who i can get best deals from and jpc will be local this summer once im out in washington dc.

i can do paxton opg upgrades and cams for less than pretty much all the twin kits.

Honestly, because ive wanted single but that wasnt an option til fall of last year. I really like the fact cpr is using a t6 flange, 5 inch down pipe and proper sized turbines and the fact its either a BW unit or Garrett makes me very happy. Plus i like everything his kit comes with and i like how he conducts his business too. NOT that i dont think travis runs a good business too. If i wanted twins id use Travis kit without a doubt.

The paxton kit is the best deal out of all blowers that size, hands down, its a badass set up. Its a hard kit to go wrong with if you dont mind some modification triming to some supports to fit. I prefer the procharger kit in the fact it doesnt it can be reversed with zero signs it was there. I really like clean installs like that. Once going larger than a 2200sl vortech and procharger run the show. The intake id use regardless of turbo or centri is the Holley Sniper, either model offering.

 

[16MustangVet]

Honestly, because ive wanted single but that wasnt an option til fall of last year. I really like the fact cpr is using a t6 flange, 5 inch down pipe and proper sized turbines and the fact its either a BW unit or Garrett makes me very happy. Plus i like everything his kit comes with and i like how he conducts his business too. NOT that i dont think travis runs a good business too. If i wanted twins id use Travis kit without a doubt.

The paxton kit is the best deal out of all blowers that size, hands down, its a badass set up. Its a hard kit to go wrong with if you dont mind some modification triming to some supports to fit. I prefer the procharger kit in the fact it doesnt it can be reversed with zero signs it was there. I really like clean installs like that. Once going larger than a 2200sl vortech and procharger run the show. The intake id use regardless of turbo or centri is the Holley Sniper, either model offering.

Hmmm maybe i need to compare more vortech/paxton/bigger procharger units.

A triple yellow painted sniper would be baller with a black centri on my car......

Yellow whipple is alot of engine candy too but again not sure i want to deal with an A2W ic setup.

 

[mustang_guy]

Hmmm maybe i need to compare more vortech/paxton/bigger procharger units.

A triple yellow painted sniper would be baller with a black centri on my car......

Yellow whipple is alot of engine candy too but again not sure i want to deal with an A2W ic setup.

My advice with centri is this, get an appropriate unit for the rpms you plan to rev to, also get the right unit that you know you wont max out. If you think even for a second that youll get a paxton and over spin it and run more psi than it was designed for, step up to a bigger unit like the Jt-B from vortech. I forget which procharger size is comparable. Youll shorten the life of the unit treating it like that. Its the same kind of stuff people do with turbos, its poor planning and ignoring your personality traits. For example, just because Ronnie Reyonlds has ran 8s on a paxton in the s197 doesnt mean it didnt get gutted to hell, overspun and sinched down with everything it could transfer through the pulley. Thats another thing you need to consider when people say its x.xx capable. Well what curb weight was that roughly with etc

Avoid whipple like the plague. Its a very nice put together kit but its a freaking boat anchor. It will literally add 200lbs to your car vs the like 65-80 a centri kit will add. Also PD torque is brutal hard on the driveline and more so on your crank snout than centri. A centri without the instant torque of a pd still had some traction issues. Its down right maddening with PD. F' that. I also suggest a wastegate set up as a must. It adds an improved wider powerband.

 

[moto111]

i recommend you do your own research since its your money

 

[16MustangVet]

Agreed on all of the above. I have PLENTY widen interstate/blacktop to plan on in ND.

When you can see the curvature of the earth every roads like a drag strip..... LOL Sssshhhhh just sayin its really freaking flat on the eastern boarder of ND.

So yeah wide open 8k rpm 140mph plus no sweat.

Gearing and riding the rpm band on a centri seems like the ideal route to me.

 

[sigintel]

There are so many flavors of FI for the S550 currently.
Rare time in history.
People will look back and say how lucky we were.
Gas is cheap.

Whatever you do, keep in mind what you are after.
Do you like spending time wrenching?
What shops and relationships with shops do you have?
Budget?
Ok with go fast but without supporting mods?
Or you want to test your wallet and sanity?
Like trailblazing new setups or need your DD running by Monday AM for work commute?

Bang for buck, the cheapest V8 S550 with one of the centris can get you fugging w stock Z07, ZL1, GT350 on the highway or track. $30k car, $2.5k tax, <$6k FI.
Centris prolly fastest installs with some differences between Procharger, Paxton, Vortech. Support from an extremely high quality human:
Beefcake. *drops mic*

Like smoking rears on the slightest whim?
Pumping light drifts on the street with a mature PD kit?
Possibly the most funzziez to pown traffic with.
Dont get a Centri for strip and then test drive a Whipple in traffic, torque is addictive.
Whipple gets you there with OEM drivability from the same ECU crew that worked the Ford factory S550 codebase (former NXP peeps I think).
Is there more weight up front? Yea, but its managable.
Instantaneous torque is sickness verging on jailbait. This is the kit your old school Htown cabbie would buy for weaving in traffic. Oh, and Dustin Whipple is a psycho on addressing even the slightest issue people have and sends new parts months or even years later for free for users to try or test.
Pride in the family name FTW.

Track rat? Or maybe you dont mind always driving around at 4k just to hear that sweetasss turbo spool just looking for a perceived slight from the nearest prius as an excuse to go WOT. The turbo setups are the highest risk to the vendors to commercialize and dont have the following and maturity of the early Centri and PD setups. But the rewards go with the costs.
Hellion?....
If you want to be Faster than Brian Faessler, get in line for his builds or call Travis at BoostWorks. Actually, call both, we need to get them both together and do a group buy on a half dozen Faessler/BoostWorks specials.

S550 and FI is proof god loves us and wants us to be happy.

No matter what you pick you win. The only screw up would be trying to get a turbo build on a centri budget and ending up with a miserable nothing to drive. Fun per $ might mean keeping RWHP where you dont need motor, fuel, driveline, trans, etc$$$$, and its easy to get to that point with just a centri or Whipple.
So only question, what is your "Suze Orman Approved" budget look like?

 

[bluebeastsrt]

I suggest you start with a fox or early SN95 chassis. Stroke a 351. Couple of big twins on that will have you running low 8s easy.

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