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Reparations have been discussed for over 100 years. Mainly by white people, by the way. It’s not happening so discussing it is kind of pointless.

So back to the police. Did you see what happened in Atlanta last night? I do not know whether the cops were justified or not. But the Atlanta chief of police resigned and the mayor already is on record by saying it was not justified. A rush to judgement? Maybe, considering the times.

We can discuss defunding, disbanding, reorganizing, reallocating all we want. Until the police stop reacting with guns and force nothing is going to change. Now I’m not saying that these actions might not be called for. But in that fraction of a second a police officer has to decide whether or not to use lethal force they have to consider the repercussions of doing so.
In hindsight, it does appear the officer should have just let him run off. They already had his car and personal info. But that is such a difficult situation to be in. Easy to armchair QB them.

Now burning the Wendy's up? That was pure stupidity.
 

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In hindsight, it does appear the officer should have just let him run off. They already had his car and personal info. But that is such a difficult situation to be in. Easy to armchair QB them.

Now burning the Wendy's up? That was pure stupidity.
I don't know what he should have done. But, if a suspect who has already attacked officers and taken a weapon from one was firing a taser at me that might have resulted in me going down and giving him access to the firearm I was holding, it would be a tough choice.

Edit: Now I'm hearing the taser he took from the cop had already been fired and so only dangerous if pressed against someone. You can see the bright flash when the man fired the taser at the cop. So even if the officer didn't know it had been fired before, If tasers really are no longer a threat after being fired unless they are pressed against someone, the officer would know the taser was no longer a threat from that distance.
 
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I don't know what he should have done. But, if a suspect who has already attacked officers and taken a weapon from one was firing a taser at me that might have resulted in me going down and giving him access to the firearm I was holding, it would be a tough choice.
So then it would be "don't kill and let us be killed" would be the rule.
 
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If we disarm the police we also have to disarm the public. So no it will not stop crime.


Well it is California. :)
A proposal to establish a task force to study and prepare recommendations for how to give reparations to African Americans passed the California Assembly on Thursday.

I wouldn’t hold my breath that this goes anywhere.
To decide Reparations is tough. Where does it stop? At all people living? Or all unborn children get it for the next 200 years. It just sounds like Welfare that they already get.
 

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To decide Reparations is tough. Where does it stop? At all people living? Or all unborn children get it for the next 200 years. It just sounds like Welfare that they already get.
That's why it is never going to happen. There is no way to get a consensus agreement on how it could be done.
 

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In hindsight, it does appear the officer should have just let him run off. They already had his car and personal info. But that is such a difficult situation to be in. Easy to armchair QB them.

Now burning the Wendy's up? That was pure stupidity.
The man was already in police custody. Things went to hell when he resisted arrest. I do not know if the shooting was justified but if he wouldn't have run, if he didn't take and then use the officers taser, he would still be alive. If either officer felt their life was in peril in that fraction of a second then the shooting may very well have been justified. In today's current climate we have a done a 180 degree turnaround that could very cost the life of a police officer that waits a second too long to fire. I would hate to be a police officer right now.

Now as far as the Wendy's, those folks who lit that place up should be locked up and the key thrown away.
 
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The man was already in police custody. Things went to hell when he resisted arrest. I do not know if the shooting was justified but if he wouldn't have run, if he didn't take and then use the officers taser, he would still be alive. If either officer felt their life was in peril in that fraction of a second then the shooting may very well have been justified. In today's current climate we have a done a 180 degree turnaround that could very cost the life of a police officer that waits a second too long to fire. I would hate to be a police officer right now.

Now as far as the Wendy's, those folks who lit that place up should be locked up and the key thrown away.
At the risk of sounding like a racist, which I am not, I am a realist that observes actions taken for actions given. I graduated Cum Laude in college at U of Houston with Akeem Olajuwon who I admired heavily. I think that Asians are the smartest race on earth, hey they discovered gun powder. But when a black person from England comes to me in college classes and asked me, "why are black people so hateful to me and call me Uncle Tom?". All I could do is apologize to him for their actions and we were best friends after that. I was embarrassed to be a white person for no fault of my own. Here I was apologizing to someone from another country for people's actions in this country. You should have seen his face in disbelief. I hated being white at that moment. I hope none of you have to go through this.
 

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The man was already in police custody. Things went to hell when he resisted arrest. I do not know if the shooting was justified but if he wouldn't have run, if he didn't take and then use the officers taser, he would still be alive. If either officer felt their life was in peril in that fraction of a second then the shooting may very well have been justified. In today's current climate we have a done a 180 degree turnaround that could very cost the life of a police officer that waits a second too long to fire. I would hate to be a police officer right now.

Now as far as the Wendy's, those folks who lit that place up should be locked up and the key thrown away.
Yeah that is a good point. He could have been incapacitated by the stun gun, thereby leaving him vulnerable to losing his sidearm. I am willing to bet that cop will either get his job back or compensated in some form. It was a knee-jerk reaction to fire him. I think the Mayor has made up her mind to fire first and ask questions later just to quell upheaval.
 

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If America owes money to anyone, it is to the Native Americans
 

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If America owes money to anyone, it is to the Native Americans
To be fair, NA's have gotten a lot of land and wealth and special privileges like gambling and they are taking the "White Man" to the bank in billions of dollars. And it is not stopping with some finite amount like reparations. But if they do give reparations and a black person is caught and convicted of looting, burning., etc it should be a stipulation that it is all taken back. That would make a person think twice about breaking the law.
 

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The incident in Minnesota that started this dumpster fire of riots was caused by actions of a bad cop with a personal grudge. It'll come out in court trial that the two men knew each other and the cop knew what he was doing. He may not have intended to kill Mr. Floyd but his actions caused it and the inactions of the other officers exacerbated the problem. The killer will go to prison. Not so sure about the others, perhaps a conviction of a lesser crime. Somehow, this personal grudge triggered massive protests with criminals taking advantage of the tense situation fueled by greed and the need to destroy someone else's property.
The bad cop will be convicted if the prosecution pushes all issues. The good LEOs are being punished for the action of a few bad ones. You will see more crime in black neighborhoods due to the police letting suspects escape rather than fight to subdue them. Criminals will be emboldened to fight the police because if anything goes wrong the cop will be prosecuted or the cop will just let him go. I'm glad I live in a rural subdivision containing one 1/2 mile road that makes an oblong circle. We are a mixed middle class neighborhood of 14 year year old homes on 1/3 acre plots.
 
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The incident in Minnesota that started this dumpster fire of riots was caused by actions of a bad cop with a personal grudge. It'll come out in court trial that the two men knew each other and the cop knew what he was doing. He may not have intended to kill Mr. Floyd but his actions caused it and the inactions of the other officers exacerbated the problem. The killer will go to prison. Not so sure about the others, perhaps a conviction of a lesser crime. Somehow, this personal grudge triggered massive protests with criminals taking advantage of the tense situation fueled by greed and the need to destroy someone else's property.
The bad cop will be convicted if the prosecution pushes all issues. The good LEOs are being punished for the action of a few bad ones. You will see more crime in black neighborhoods due to the police letting suspects escape rather than fight to subdue them. Criminals will be emboldened to fight the police because if anything goes wrong the cop will be prosecuted or the cop will just let him go. I'm glad I live in a rural subdivision containing one 1/2 mile road that makes an oblong circle. We are a mixed middle class neighborhood of 14 year year old homes on 1/3 acre plots.
I am moving to a small town in North Texas of only 25,000 people. I am glad of it. Where I am moving from I never saw a black person, now they are walking up and down my street everyday no telling what for when they were never there before.

I am so glad I don't live in any of these cities.

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If any of you are confused and wondering how we got to this point..
Checkout the book "The Naked Communist ", by the author Cleon Skousen.
Review the 45 goals of Communist party.
Then look at where we are today. I realize when this book was sold, 1963, may seem ancient to many of you all. Looks like they are succeeding in their goals.

You maybe thinking in 1963 it was a backward time. Full of people that believed in God, family, and law and order. They were, that's before America started on the road to communism, oops I mean socialism.
 
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If any of you are confused and wondering how we got to this point..
Checkout the book "The Naked Communist ", by the author Cleon Skousen.
Review the 45 goals of Communist party.
Then look at where we are today. I realize when this book was sold, 1963, may seem ancient to many of you all. Looks like they are succeeding in their goals.

You maybe thinking in 1963 it was a backward time. Full of people that believed in God, family, and law and order. They were, that's before America started on the road to communism, oops I mean socialism.
Here it is in a nutshell. It is scary that most of them have come true or are in progress.

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