Couldn't Resist, lol..side by side comparison -- Mustang EcoBoost vs Mach-E

[Gargoyle]

I don't know why everyone is concerned about this kind of vehicles.

Is there enough lithium to make them on massive scale? No.
Is there enough power or infrastructure to charge them at scale? No.
Are these vehicles responding to the needs of mass transportation? No.
Are manufacturers able to produce them at profit? Big no.

So, why everybody is even bothering being scared from what is a niche phenomenon, one already proved it has it's own difficulties when you reach even the smallest market penetration (lithium carbonate price, California recharge bans, UK putting smart chargers that limit hours and power, and so on an so forth..)?
Besides, from what I can see after the big initial burst now less people is buying the crap. And rising interest rates will put a big nail on it.

At least for me, I'm sitting on the river and waiting the corpse to pass. Human evolution has never been linear and every century has it's own ideologies.
And ideologies, as politicians, passes.

Truth, their market share is dismal although the social media would love you to believe otherwise.

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[SINBUSTER007]

so maybe someone can confirm the validity of this but on another forum where they were reviewing the Bronco Sport, the person said that the Sport was only made so the full size Bronco could pass CAFE regulations....and said the same thing about the mustang (and Mach E) was only put under the "Mustang" name so mustang would pass the CAFE regulations per each model that a MFG makes. based on this if the Mach E was not a "mustang" then mustang would have to pass the average of 22mpg per model, and that would mean de-tuned v8 or none at all....
thoughts?

and fyi, i hear hydrogen is starting to be talked about....another option to electric...
if i had a choice right now between these 2, i would go hydrogen. cleaner, cheaper, better. (my opinion)

 

[MAGS1]

so maybe someone can confirm the validity of this but on another forum where they were reviewing the Bronco Sport, the person said that the Sport was only made so the full size Bronco could pass CAFE regulations....and said the same thing about the mustang (and Mach E) was only put under the "Mustang" name so mustang would pass the CAFE regulations per each model that a MFG makes. based on this if the Mach E was not a "mustang" then mustang would have to pass the average of 22mpg per model, and that would mean de-tuned v8 or none at all....
thoughts?

and fyi, i hear hydrogen is starting to be talked about....another option to electric...
if i had a choice right now between these 2, i would go hydrogen. cleaner, cheaper, better. (my opinion)

I’ve heard the same and Farley has basically said as much. The Mach E and Ford’s other electric vehicles have saved the V8’s for at least the 7th gen possibly future gens as well if demand is there.

 

[Bikeman315]

I don't know why everyone is concerned about this kind of vehicles.
Not everyone. Just those whose heads are stuck in the present and in the past. The future is coming. The use of fossil based fuels will eventually end. There will be alternatives. Right now the forerunner is electric. Torrow it could be something else. We just have to wait and see.

Is there enough lithium to make them on massive scale? No.
And there doesn't have to be. New battery technology is being introduced almost daily. There will be alternatives because there has to be.

Is there enough power or infrastructure to charge them at scale? No.
At scale? Today? No , of course not. But in the future, yes definitely.

Are these vehicles responding to the needs of mass transportation? No.
Yes. Maybe not in Italy, but in other parts of the world. Here in the US we are seeing buses using hydrogen and electric.

Are manufacturers able to produce them at profit? Big no.
No new technology is profitable out of the box. Be assured manufacturers will continue to reduce the cost of these cars and their profitability will ensured.

So, why everybody is even bothering being scared from what is a niche phenomenon, one already proved it has it's own difficulties when you reach even the smallest market penetration (lithium carbonate price, California recharge bans, UK putting smart chargers that limit hours and power, and so on an so forth..)?
Besides, from what I can see after the big initial burst now less people is buying the crap. And rising interest rates will put a big nail on it.
Again, maybe just in your country but worldwide EV sales are booming. And interest rates affect everything and they are short term.

At least for me, I'm sitting on the river and waiting the corpse to pass. Human evolution has never been linear and every century has it's own ideologies.
And ideologies, as politicians, passes.
This is very true. But the change from fossil fuels is not going to change. What the ultimate replacement will be is unknown at this point. But it is happening.

By the way I just recently returned from my first trip to Italy. A truly amazing country with wonderful people.

 

[Bikeman315]

so maybe someone can confirm the validity of this but on another forum where they were reviewing the Bronco Sport, the person said that the Sport was only made so the full size Bronco could pass CAFE regulations....and said the same thing about the mustang (and Mach E) was only put under the "Mustang" name so mustang would pass the CAFE regulations per each model that a MFG makes. based on this if the Mach E was not a "mustang" then mustang would have to pass the average of 22mpg per model, and that would mean de-tuned v8 or none at all....
thoughts?

It has nothing to do with the individual naming of these vehicles. CAFE standards are corporate wide encompassing all passenger vehicles. This is about branding. The Bronco Sport and Bronco are two different vehicles under the "brand" banner of Bronco. The Mustang and Mach-E are both under the Mustang brand. The real Mustang EV is also be under this brand.

and fyi, i hear hydrogen is starting to be talked about....another option to electric...
if i had a choice right now between these 2, i would go hydrogen. cleaner, cheaper, better. (my opinion)

Hydrogen is nothing new. Been around for decades. It is/will be another option as we move away from fossil fuels.

I’ve heard the same and Farley has basically said as much. The Mach E and Ford’s other electric vehicles have saved the V8’s for at least the 7th gen possibly future gens as well if demand is there.

This is, of course, true but it has nothing to do with the naming.

 

[MAGS1]

It has nothing to do with the individual naming of these vehicles. CAFE standards are corporate wide encompassing all passenger vehicles. This is about branding. The Bronco Sport and Bronco are two different vehicles under the "brand" banner of Bronco. The Mustang and Mach-E are both under the Mustang brand. The real Mustang EV is also be under this brand.


Hydrogen is nothing new. Been around for decades. It is/will be another option as we move away from fossil fuels.


This is, of course, true but it has nothing to do with the naming.

Correct, the naming doesn’t mean anything as far as CAFE standards go. It’s the fleet standards they have to meet, which they have thanks to their electric lineup, including the Mach E

 

[geep81]

It's a good looking vehicle and definitely has Mustang lines in it.

 

[luca1290]

I see another thread going to derail fast.

@Bikeman315 you sound like you have the crystal ball and already know how the future is going. That's good for you but for the others (with the head in the sand like me) that just see a technology that has no legs to go around on itself (without mandates or incentives)... isn't a little presumptuous thinking that the road is already laid out?
I see technical shortcomings we don't have the technology or science to overcome as of today.
And I'm not used to make assumptions on the future, 'cause I don't have the crystal ball.

Don't know where you went in Italy but we aren't third world. The countries in Europe that have a significant EV share are either washed in oil and are greenwashing giving out them basically for free (Netherland anyone) or/and are as big as a postal stamp.

 

[Bullittproof]

They should have not used the pony emblem, should have offered it with an internal combustion engine [and if also an E version, so be it] and it would have been good to be the next Edge, with or without the Edge name attached to it.

 

[vanquishvzla]

From the walmart parking lot this morning, mine is modded 2016 Mustang Ecoboost,

Both are shameful…. Electric and 4 cyl…

 

[lacanteen]

Thinking of my recent road trip, I drove over 3600 miles in 7 days. There's no way I could have done that in a current production EV, given the speeds and elevation changes I went through. I wouldn't mind an EV for a company vehicle since the most I would ever drive would be 300 miles in one day.
The technology is just not there to support my personal lifestyle.

 

[Bikeman315]

I see another thread going to derail fast.

@Bikeman315 you sound like you have the crystal ball and already know how the future is going. That's good for you but for the others (with the head in the sand like me) that just see a technology that has no legs to go around on itself (without mandates or incentives)... isn't a little presumptuous thinking that the road is already laid out?
I see technical shortcomings we don't have the technology or science to overcome as of today.
And I'm not used to make assumptions on the future, 'cause I don't have the crystal ball.

Don't know where you went in Italy but we aren't third world. The countries in Europe that have a significant EV share are either washed in oil and are greenwashing giving out them basically for free (Netherland anyone) or/and are as big as a postal stamp.

Any time you put a Mustang and a Mach-E in the same picture you know what direction a thread is headed. No surprise there.

As far as a crystal ball, mine is every bit as good as yours. Your see failure and I see failure as not an option. The technical shortcomings are certainly there but they will be overcome. Think about it. If i was told in 1970 that I could buy a 400HP car and get 25 miles per gallon I would have said you were nuts. It's called progress and nothing will hold it back.

Now as far as Italy is concerned I'm not sure where your inferiority complex is coming from but I certainly never said anything about you being a third world country. It's just there are differences between all countries especially when it comes to one as large as the the United States.

And by the way I was in Venice, Chioggia, Murano, Burano, Bari, Alberobello, Crotone, Messina, Savoca, Forza d'Agrò, Naples, Amalfi, Sorrento, and Rome. I loved every one of them. And by the way did not see a single Ferrari, Lamborghini, or Mustang anywhere. That was disappointing.

 

[Bikeman315]

They should have not used the pony emblem, should have offered it with an internal combustion engine [and if also an E version, so be it] and it would have been good to be the next Edge, with or without the Edge name attached to it.

The pony emblem ship has sailed so pointless to keep bring it up. Did you forget that Ford now has two companies. Ford Blue has more than enough ICE SUV's, no need for another. The Mach-E is only the first in a long line of Ford EV's in the future.

 

[Coastal-Mach]

Glad you enjoyed Italy Ira. My wife is from Rome, her father from Naples. She is ready to go back for a long visit.

 

[Bikeman315]

Both are shameful…. Electric and 4 cyl…

Seriously? Please go back to 2015. The EB is an awesome Mustang.

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