Cobb got nailed by the EPA

[Evolvd]

Hello; went back to read the first five pages of the thread. Saw where you tried to control posts by suggesting folks leave and start their own threads. Not sure when you left for a time, but you are back.

You’re so cute.

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[S550HPP]

On certain days in Newark/NYC I would blow my nose and turn the tissue black from the soot in the air I had been breathing

I use the Dyson Big & Quiet purifiers they work

I had never considered Cobb for anything but after learning about the EPA ass f***ery, I started looking at their product line. I noticed they carried an intercooler that would fit my Bronco Raptor. It already has the just released FP tune and a Borla exhaust so I started looking at the intake side and figured the intercooler might be a good start so I ordered one. It just showed up and I honestly thought that the box size meant they may have sent me a full size radiator by mistake. Nope...

I could not be more impressed with the quality. Best packaging I have seen to date.

I'm happy to support the victims of yet another three letter agency.

Looks good. I went with Garrett super fine fit and finish and CARB.

 

[DRU842]

I was convinced after a visit to the Cobb factory in Texas. Great quality in manufacture and customer service.

 

[RocketGuy3]

Hello; I apologize if this is a repeat of information, as i have only read this last page. A fact is there is an incentive plan of sorts when it comes to being able to get published with regard to scientific papers. In a different thread a link and s story was posted about this. I do not recall the member who posted about it. Made a stink for a day or few here and on the web. Not a big stink of course as few news sources picked up the story.
Anyway a fellow wanted ( perhaps needed) to be published so stuck an unneeded bit into his paper about manmade climate change. He added that sort of language in hopes his paper would be published. It worked if a recall correctly.
Again, if I recall correctly, he admitted at some point what we have suspected. That to get along in the science paper world you throw in what dogma is expected.
Maybe one of the sharper folks on here will recall and know how to search that out. It is not exactly being directly bought off. More that if you hope to get a grant you learn how to write up a grant proposal which pleases those who dole out the federal or state funds. I wrote a few grant proposals during my time as a science teacher.

TBH, I would love to see something more substantive than "if I recall correctly". But more importantly, even if what you're saying is true (which I doubt), it doesn't disprove anything I've said. Those "spikes" take place over tens of millions of years. Humans are fucking up their planet in 150 years. The authors most certainly do not believe that humans are not changing the climate, but proving as much was just not the intent of their research.

Well said! The one underlying assumption that you've got wrong is that, no matter how powerful that humans think they are, we cannot do anything to affect climate change one way or another, no matter how much wealth is transferred to those who pretend that they can. There's two things that are much larger than us in control - the Sun and the Earth. We're just along for the ride.

Untrue. We caused this mess, and we can fix it. Yes, many many things about the sun and the earth are out of our control, but greenhouse gas emissions are not one of those things. And no, a big volcano would not warm the earth more than we are. In fact, a big volcano would kill us by blocking out the sun..

I have not seen any real evidence from your side either, just computer models that have been wrong for 50 years or more. Hell they cannot accurately predict the storm track of a hurricane or the weather more than a few hours out.

I wonder if we should ban this?

Frequently Asked Questions About Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) What is Dihydrogen Monoxide?

Damn here I was hoping you had written me an actually substantive post with thoughtful breakdowns of climate science and evidence... but it was just a silly joke/propaganda thing about water...?

But we're probably at an impasse. You guys are way too close to the truth. I just hope you all have deleted all your social media accounts and are only using Keybase or Signal for communication. Otherwise Uncle Sam will find you... and you know what happens next!

 

[sk47]

TBH, I would love to see something more substantive than "if I recall correctly"

but it was just a silly joke/propaganda thing about water...?

Hello; As I wrote days ago the links to the story were posted in a thread on here a while back. The author of a paper said he threw in some expected climate change associations as he knew that would help to be published. I do agree in a court or some more serious setting a substantial proof would be needed. You are comfortable suggesting I and others on here are liars or deluded. While I did not need to be published as a science teacher, I did have to write grant proposals. I learned some about the process. I contend you are more likely to have drunk the cool aid, so to speak, than I or others you disagree with.

I want the planet to be a decent place to live. I have been studying science since 1965. I also have been paying attention. The DHMO is indeed water. I used the deception temporarily in some of my science classes to drive home a point or few. One point being everything written in that post was true about water. Not a falsehood in the whole narrative. Even something commonly known and well experienced can be presented as "toxic" and "dangerous". Catch on yet??? Hint Co2 is a naturally occurring molecule in the same way as water.

My personal windmill to be tilted at back in the 1970's was human overpopulation.

 

[Blue Moon]

I got a mass email from Cobb this morning. I knew they had discontinued their downpipe some time back, but now it looks like they're not supporting the Accessport any more. I hope nothing happens to mine; it makes a bigger difference to the way my car drives than everything else I've done put together.

 

[Wolfys11]

I got a mass email from Cobb this morning. I knew they had discontinued their downpipe some time back, but now it looks like they're not supporting the Accessport any more. I hope nothing happens to mine; it makes a bigger difference to the way my car drives than everything else I've done put together.

Should be fine, itl be a bigger issue going forward for newer cars and possibly newer tunes as tuners move away from cobb like they moved away from the ngauge

 

[K4fxd]

Hopefully the EPA will have it's nutz chopped off.

When tail pipe emissions are cleaner than the air being sucked into the engine means we don't need stricter regs.

 

[sk47]

Hello; I apologize if this is a repeat of information, as i have only read this last page. A fact is there is an incentive plan of sorts when it comes to being able to get published with regard to scientific papers. In a different thread a link and s story was posted about this. I do not recall the member who posted about it. Made a stink for a day or few here and on the web. Not a big stink of course as few news sources picked up the story.
Anyway a fellow wanted ( perhaps needed) to be published so stuck an unneeded bit into his paper about manmade climate change. He added that sort of language in hopes his paper would be published. It worked if a recall correctly.

TBH, I would love to see something more substantive than "if I recall correctly". But more importantly, even if what you're saying is true (which I doubt), i

Hello; A while back RocketGuy3 cast doubts on a post of mine. I took some time and searched out some posts which tell the story. Even have names now so my recall is not the only thing.

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A climate scientist wanted to start a debate in academia. He set off a bigger firestorm (msn.com)

“For climate change deniers, it was confirmation of a long-held suspicion: Scientists cannot be trusted.”

“Days after publishing research that found global warming had boosted the risk of fast-growing California wildfires by 25%, scientist and lead author Patrick T. Brown announced that he’d withheld the full truth to maximize the article’s chances of being published in the journal Nature.”

“I knew not to try to quantify key aspects other than climate change in my research because it would dilute the story that prestigious journals like Nature and its rival, Science, want to tell," wrote Brown, co-director of the climate and energy team at the Breakthrough Institute, in Berkeley.”

“…he'd selected a metric and timeframe to study that weren't the most useful, but generated the largest numbers quantifying the impact of climate change.”

“To a number of observers, Brown's comments were disturbing not because they suggested that he distorted evidence, but because they call into question whether the process of scientific debate and organized skepticism is compromised more broadly.”

““The fact that a scientist would choose a particular metric to make the numbers look more impressive suggests that there is a quite unhealthy conflation within scientific papers of the scientific concerns and the policy concerns, or impact concerns,” said Daniele Fanelli, an assistant professor in research methods at Heriot-Watt University in Scotland who specializes in scientific misconduct and bias.”

“But while it’s common practice to consider climate change apart from other factors, doing so is unrealistic and results in a conclusion that’s far less meaningful, Brown said. In this case, he and his fellow researchers did not account for changes in ignition patterns and vegetation growth, both of which have worsened wildfire behavior over time, he said.”

““I knew that considering these factors would make for a more realistic and useful analysis, but I also knew that it would muddy the waters and thus make the research more difficult to publish,” Brown wrote.”

“There's a taboo against adaptation in our community, I think, because it's considered to be in conflict with mitigation,” Brown said. “It's like, 'Oh, the bad people talk about adaptation when the right solution is to focus exclusively on climate policy that reduces emissions.'"



Hello; Pretty self explainatory article. This story has already been discussed in the forum. This story give some new information. Near the end of the article are quotes from scientists trying to spin the impact of this story. I will leave those for the champions to cherry pick

 

[K4fxd]

Near the end of the article are quotes from scientists trying to spin the impact of this story. I will leave those for the champions to cherry pick

Michael Crichton wrote a book called State of Fear. It is a fictionalized account of man made climate change. He used NASA and other "official" records to prove his points.

The results are man made climate change is a hoax.

90% of the charts and other things he linked to, like in a school text book, are gone. One has to jump through several hoops and use way back machine and or other ways to resurrect internet items.

I ask myself, why did whoever remove these charts?

 

[MD18EcoStang]

I got a mass email from Cobb this morning. I knew they had discontinued their downpipe some time back, but now it looks like they're not supporting the Accessport any more. I hope nothing happens to mine; it makes a bigger difference to the way my car drives than everything else I've done put together.

More details, please. I didn't receive any such email. Also, nothing on their website about this. Still apparently selling the product. It's even shown as 50-state legal, for what that's worth.
https://www.cobbtuning.com/products/accessport/accessport-v3-for-ford-mustang-ecoboost/

 

[Buldawg76]

I got a mass email from Cobb this morning. I knew they had discontinued their downpipe some time back, but now it looks like they're not supporting the Accessport any more. I hope nothing happens to mine; it makes a bigger difference to the way my car drives than everything else I've done put together.

I saw nothing as well. More info please.

BD

 

[Blue Moon]

Copy of the email here. "Identified Subject Products" includes: Ford Accessport V3 (Mustang EcoBoost) As many of you may know, COBB Tuning entered into a settlement agreement (called a Consent Decree or CD) with the US EPA concerning certain products that the US EPA identified as a Subject Product. As part of this agreement, COBB Tuning is required to notify all Consumers and Authorized Dealers who purchased or may have sold a Subject Product after January 1, 2015, through the date that the product ceased to be considered a Subject Product by the EPA. Our records show that you purchased or may have sold one or more Subject Product during this time period. We are therefore sending you the following notification as required by our settlement agreement with the US EPA. SUBJECT: NOTICE OF CONSENT DECREE IN UNITED STATES v. COBB TUNING PRODUCTS, LLC Dear COBB Customer or Authorized Dealer, We are writing to make you aware of important changes in the type of products sold by COBB Tuning Products, LLC (“COBB Tuning”). As you may already know, COBB Tuning has entered into a civil judicial settlement with the federal government regarding the manufacture and sale of certain COBB Tuning exhaust and electronic tuning products, which are listed in the hyperlinked table (the “Identified Subject Products”). Pursuant to the terms of this settlement, we are sending you this notice because, according to our records, you purchased or may have sold one or more of these Identified Subject Products (a) after January 1, 2015, and (b) before the date listed in column titled “Date Product Ceased Being a Subject Product.” The United States Environmental Protection Agency (“EPA”) has alleged that the Identified Subject Products (at least until the date identified in the column titled “Date Product Ceased Being a Subject Product”) violate the Clean Air Act’s prohibition against motor vehicle parts or components that have a principal effect of bypassing, defeating, or rendering inoperative any emissions control system or element of design on a vehicle. See 42 U.S.C. § 7522(a)(3). Emissions control systems include oxygen sensors, three-way catalytic converters, and onboard diagnostic systems. Motor vehicle emissions controls are important for protection of public health and the environment. In this settlement, COBB Tuning has agreed, among other things, that: COBB Tuning will not manufacture, sell, or install Subject Products because the EPA has alleged that these products have a principal effect of bypassing, defeating, or rendering inoperative any emissions control system or element of design on a vehicle (see 42 U.S.C. §7522(a)(3)); COBB Tuning will no longer provide technical support (including user manuals, telephone support, online/chat support, and YouTube videos) for Subject Products; and COBB Tuning will no longer provide warranty or service coverage for the Subject Products. Going forward, the settlement with the EPA specifically allows for COBB Tuning to continue to sell products covered by Executive Orders issued by the California Air Resources Board (“CARB”) or products for which a complete application has been submitted to CARB seeking an Executive Order. COBB Tuning sells various CARB-certified products and more information concerning these CARB-certified products are available on COBB Tuning’s website. Sincerely, Tadd Crayton Vice President, Chief Sales and Marketing Officer

 

[Buldawg76]

Well that just stinks for sure. I hate that CARB is allowed to control the 49 states that are not subject to its control. The EPA is just as corrupt for allowing this as well.

I hope both are dismantled and never seen again.

BD

 

[K4fxd]

This really stinks because Cobb is one of the few tuning companies that jumps through the CARB hoops.

Come on Trump dismantle the EPA

and congress cement it into law.

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