Car&Driver: 2019 GT350 vs. 2020 Supra

[9secondko]

True they'd both be forced induction, but at least the prices here were semi-comparable. There's a reason they used the GT350 for this comparison and not the $10,000 more expensive GT350R even though the Supra only has 2 seats. Moving up the GT500 would only put the pricing disparity even larger.

It was a joke. The 500 mutilates the Supra. Wouldn’t be a fair fight.

But then again, FI VS. NA is always pretty muddy.

So why not? A little mutilation would be fun while it lasted.

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[Hack]

Excuse me is that ugly car with a beak 57k!?? Did they seriously say it was $57 THOUSAND dollars?

I cant imagine paying over 40k for that abortion!

I agree that the pricing is out of whack for a turbo 6 automatic car. This car should be compared to a Mustang GT, not the GT350. Do a versus with the A10 PP1 GT. The Supra is seriously over priced in that comparison, but the cars will be matched more closely.

 

[DCShelby]

Plus you are not making Home Depot runs in the Supra. Silly as it sounds, but in the 350 you can easily fit closet doors or cans of paint and all kinds of other things in it when you fold the rear seats down. Load it up, then find a twisty road on the way home as well. The little Supra knob, looks like not so much.

 

[Droopy1592]

Plus you are not making Home Depot runs in the Supra. Silly as it sounds, but in the 350 you can easily fit closet doors or cans of paint and all kinds of other things in it when you fold the rear seats down. Load it up, then find a twisty road on the way home as well. The little Supra knob, looks like not so much.

The rear seat comes down?

 

[Notagain]

The rear seat comes down?

LOL yes there should be tether loops you pull at the top of the seats by the seat belts.

 

[ngiotta]

No I'm talking about manuals, which the GT350 is only available with.

That's fine and all. I'm just saying a GT with the auto is still faster in a straight line, than a GT350. Regardless, even the manuals between the 2 are still quite different:

MT82-D4 = 3.24, 2.10, 1.42, 1, .81, and .62 for the GT
TR-3160 = 3.25, 2.23, 1.61, 1.24, 1.00, and .63 for the GT350

 

[Droopy1592]

Odd as I see one every other week here in Atlanta and I don't know that I've seen the same one twice since I bought mine nearly a year ago. Much better car to own when you can drive it year round and the roads are only truly terrible right down town in ATL.

I’m all over Atlanta and I probably see one or two a month.

 

[mavisky]

I’m all over Atlanta and I probably see one or two a month.

Not sure what part of town you're in, but I see them fairly often up and down the 400 corridor from Roswell to Lake Lanier

 

[Bulldogs22]

Not sure what part of town you're in, but I see them fairly often up and down the 400 corridor from Roswell to Lake Lanier

I have the only 19 I have seen around the Atlanta area

 

[mavisky]

I have the only 19 I have seen around the Atlanta area

I've seen 3 2019's in the Cumming/Lanier region alone. I've seen 5 or 6 R's of various years and configurations, and I've seen a number of 2016 - 2018 GT350's up here as well. Hell I've seen 3 different ones at the waffle house here in Cumming alone as I've driven by. All of those in the last year easily. Not even counting those I've seen at car shows or up in the mountains. These are just the cars I see driving around town. We're GT350 dense up here. Hell as rare as my orange fury is, it's not even the only orange fury GT350 I've seen in the area.

 

[jpindustrie]

I don't understand why the GT350s acceleration numbers aren't any better. The car is just a tad quicker than a 2018 Mustang GT and darn near what a E92 M3 runs. The last test of a manual E92 M3 was a 2012 model and Car and Driver ran 0-60 in 4.3, 1/4mile in 12.7@114mph. A DCT car ran 0-60 in 3.9 and the quarter mile in 12.4 @115mph. Granted the E92 is just 200lbs lighter but the GT350 has over 100hp more than a E92, what gives? Is it the way the car is geared?

The Supra is obviously underrated, BMW turbocharged powerplants are always underrated. The same engine in the Z4 is 382hp. I agree with the above post though..the Supra is hideous.

Because the plan was always to have 2 Speciality mustangs this generation; rather than one speciality car and a 'special edition' appearing every 1-2 yrs in between the GT and the 'Cobra' , Mach 1, Boss 302, etc...

This time around Ford and the rest of the manufacturers placed bets and ultimately seem to be proven correct that the market TODAY has grown to accept more than one speciality car. The $$$ and the buyers are there not only for one Shelby but for 2; it always seemed to me given the 526 HP rating and original starting MSRP for $49,999 that the 350 was signifying more on the horizon...

 

[rj45]

I saw a red Supra at a local dealer...$20K over msrp. Yea, um, no thanks. Cute little sports car - though I wouldn't say it's great looking - but no way is it worth anything over msrp, IMO. If in the future there's a higher performance model with a manual, and it's available at msrp or less, that would get my attention.

 

[Sixx]

Oh I totally agreed, 119 mph is nothing to sneeze at. However, for 526hp I think this car should easily be a 121+mph. The M2 is extremely quick to 100mph after that they run out of steam. Even the E92 M3 was almost 5 seconds quicker to 150mph vs. the M2. The 2012 M3 that C&D tested did 0-150mph in 23.7 seconds vs. over 28 seconds for the M2. Once again though the GT350 is only 1.7 seconds faster to 150mph, which at that speed is a lot of distance but to the point in which the car is over 100hp stronger.

The GT350 is the only car other than a new Porsche 992S that I would consider new over my E92 which I have owned since new from 2013.

Thanks..

Dave

I hear you, but comparing magazine times is tough. Tests with different drivers 5 years apart etc. Also if if you look at magazine tests, specifically C&D, the M2 demolished the E92s Lightning Lap time as did the old Gt500.

I love the E92s. My buddy had one at the same time I had my 2012 GT500. We did several roll runs from 50 - 60 to about 130, and I would pull him hard. GT350 puts up similar to marginally better numbers than the old 500.

 

[svttim]

Journalists more then not, cannot drive these cars. So, unless they bring in guys like Probst or Evan Smith I would take their times for a grain of salt. The supra is just flat ugly to me. A poor interpretation of the last batmobile. But, looks are subjective

 

[BurnCycle]

yikes...that supra is one ugly mofo.

I usually get all bent out of shape when someone comments on the design of a car and offers no merits to a specific concept it may have... Not this time. It really is ugly.

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