Can I install NX2 turbo and CVF catted downpipe without a tune?

[GJarrett]

This weekend may be the only opportunity I have to install my newly-purchased big turbo and downpipe onto my Ecoboost. Today I ordered a Cobb and tune from PD Tuning but I may not get it until next week (I currently have the Ford Performance tune). If I install the turbo and downpipe, will the car still run okay with no damage until I get the tune loaded?

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[ihasnostang]

don't you have to go to a dealer to get the tune removed?

 

[Coyote Chase]

Stop the check, get your money back!I

I have the same setup! And the same tuner can't get my car to run right!!

Per another Authorized Cobb Dealer and confirmed by a Cobb representative: If using a new (post 2022) Accessport, your Tuner can only make stage 2 modifications, due to EPA and CARB regulations!

Adding a downpipe and big turbo to your current setup, will require Additional Fuel, plus a few other electronic modifications. And additional fuel means more emissions!

 

[Coyote Chase]

don't you have to go to a dealer to get the tune removed?

Your 100 percent correct!
I've read many a post, where guys of tried load tunes over their Ford Performance Tune and have had major headaches!
And the Cobb stage 2 tune has no, or very little, advantage over the Ford Performance tune.
Other than the data logger, Cobb does have an awesome data logger!!

 

[Coyote Chase]

Now, in Cobb's defense, they make and sell an excellent product! And some killer OTS tunes! I myself have had success with the Cobb OTS tunes, both on the street and at the track!

 

[Shawn82]

Stop the check, get your money back!I

I have the same setup! And the same tuner can't get my car to run right!!

Per another Authorized Cobb Dealer and confirmed by a Cobb representative: If using a new (post 2022) Accessport, your Tuner can only make stage 2 modifications, due to EPA and CARB regulations!

Adding a downpipe and big turbo to your current setup, will require Additional Fuel, plus a few other electronic modifications. And additional fuel means more emissions!

This is not true at all lol.

 

[Coyote Chase]

This is not true at all lol.

Haven't you been keeping up with your Cobb newsletters?

The party is over, no more cheap horsepower!

Cobb has done what a responsible company should do, Respect the law! And inform the public, thier customers, of the changes being made and why! And it's not the end of the racing world, you can still be competitive with the Accessport's OTS tunes, and if you want to have someone install an e-tune, go for it! But don't expect to cut your ET by 2 seconds because your only going to get 2/10ths of a second.

Look at the date! April 2022!!

 

[Coyote Chase]

To answer the original post concerning tuning after installing an aftermarket Turbocharger: Here's my time slip, after installing a new Turbocharger and loading the NX2 tune from Ryan Martin via EMS.

Even the best tuner can't (using the software, he was required to download) make the electronic modifications to run a big turbo.

 

[TeeLew]

You're clearly making more power, because you put up a bigger trap. Your 60' sucks with your new setup and that's the difference in the runs. So, figure out what you have to do to get out of the hole and you'll go faster.

 

[GJarrett]

8 replies so far... can anyone answer my original question? Can I install the turbo and downpipe without a tune? If it requires additional fuel, what if I stay easy on the go pedal and no wot, will that be okay?

PS - I still have my original tune and can uninstall the Ford Performance tune, not worried about that.

 

[HAVOC_5.0]

Can you install it? Yes
Should you install it? No
Will it completely grenade and blow everything up? Depends on how you drive until your Cobb shows up.

Drive like SpongeBob. One Big toe out of your shoe, slightly pressing on the accelerator.

If you try to get into boost, you're not gonna have a good time.

 

[Shawn82]

Can you install it? Yes
Should you install it? No
Will it completely grenade and blow everything up? Depends on how you drive until your Cobb shows up.

Drive like SpongeBob. One Big toe out of your shoe, slightly pressing on the accelerator.

If you try to get into boost, you're not gonna have a good time.

Sorry OP, but yes this is the answer.

 

[Coyote Chase]

You're clearly making more power, because you put up a bigger trap. Your 60' sucks with your new setup and that's the difference in the runs. So, figure out what you have to do to get out of the hole and you'll go faster.

Thanks for the input! Your right, I was running lean and hot until I brought in my secondary port injectors (using a piggyback controller). Based on my data logs the primary tune had my direct injectors tapped out, until I got that extra fuel, then things started to settle down.

I'm trying to explain that the available tuning devices, and the tuners who program them, have limitations.
They can't do what they were able to do 18 months ago!

 

[Coyote Chase]

8 replies so far... can anyone answer my original question? Can I install the turbo and downpipe without a tune? If it requires additional fuel, what if I stay easy on the go pedal and no wot, will that be okay?

PS - I still have my original tune and can uninstall the Ford Performance tune, not worried about that.

 

[Coyote Chase]

Sorry OP, but yes this is the answer.

Sorry, but it's just not that simple. If you want to add a downpipe and big turbo to your motor, your going to have to feed it with more than any tuner can get out of any legal device.
Ask an Ecoboost builder/tuner, what ECU/Controller they use on thier cars...?

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