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I have no interest in owning a C8 but I love that they built off the FPC Z06 motor. Ford needs to step up imho. Another variant of the 5.2 in the next halo mustang would be disappointing. They need something new and special. My money is still on the GTD though if these two ever meet on a road course.
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I can’t get over 1064 horsepower on 93 from the factory. A 2008 Bugatti Veyron has only 1001 horsepower. Does the ZR1 get hyper car classification?

If the GTD beat a ZR1 on a track, which I’m skeptical of, it would lose bad on a drag strip and the street.

I’m fantasizing heavy.
 
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I can’t get over 1064 horsepower on 93 from the factory. A 2008 Bugatti Veyron has only 1001 horsepower. Does the ZR1 get hyper car classification?

If the GTD beat a ZR1 on a track, which I’m skeptical of, it would lose bad on a drag strip and the street.

I’m fantasizing heavy.
I don’t think there’s much doubt the GTD would lose in a straight line. It’s not built for that. ZR1 without the aero package is a sub 10 second (by “a lot”) car right out of the gate according to Chevy. How much below 10s will be interesting to see. Chevy also states top speed will be well in excess of 212mph.

Oddly enough, they still come standard with the PS4S, so grip may be an issue. The optional track package does come with the Supercar3R tires per a few initial review videos. I would think with that kind of hp and torque, they’d come stock with something a bit grippier than the PS4S.

Hopefully they start releasing more info soon. I’m really curious about it even though I won’t be able to swing one.
 

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I feel bad for the GTD and it's fanboys
You can definitely think of this a few different ways:
1. Corvette was always supposed to be a level above Mustang. And typically it is in many ways.
2. Ford definitely suffers in the comparison from a buyer's perspective, since Ford LOVES to build exclusive limited production vehicles for the 1%ers. I don't want a Corvette due to a number of factors, but it's appealing that GM will build enough that if you really want one you can buy one.
3. The GTD is built similarly to a car that is intended to do well in racing rather than being a street car, so to a degree it is a bonus that Ford is selling any of them.

It may be all race car underneath, but, NO way in hell I would spend that kind of money on a mustang of any kind! Personally there isn't a mustang worth $100k to me.
If Ford had made the Dark Horse with the same engine it currently has and offered it with a manual transaxle and the GTD suspension only (no carbon or other additional expensive bits beyond the transaxle and suspension), I would seriously consider one even if it had Dark Horse pricing. I think the DH is too expensive for what it is, but with the SLA front and rear and with better weight balance I think it would be just about the perfect vehicle for me as a driver with a few track days per year.

I wouldn't pay over $100K for any vehicle, so I agree with what you said. But an NA V8 car with a manual transaxle and SLA suspension all around is near perfection. I'd still own my C5 Z06 if I thought I could make myself comfortable in there with a helmet on. Also, I complain about the weight of the Mustang, but it feels a lot safer on the street than a C5 Corvette.
 

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I can’t get over 1064 horsepower on 93 from the factory. A 2008 Bugatti Veyron has only 1001 horsepower. Does the ZR1 get hyper car classification?

If the GTD beat a ZR1 on a track, which I’m skeptical of, it would lose bad on a drag strip and the street.

I’m fantasizing heavy.
I think it is in hyper car classification. The only production cars with more factory hp are Bugatti Chiron and Koneigsegs. Even Lambo and Ferrari can’t hit 1,064 hp WITH hybridization. The Revuelto is “only” 1000 hp and it’s a hybrid. Of course the engine is NA V12 so I’m not complaining. I think GM just put all supercars and the next GT2 911 on notice. I’m sure they are going back to the drawing board to up the hp of their models. Unbelievable hp out of a non-million dollar ICE car that meets emissions and has a warranty. Amazing.

Also, the Z06 has already beat the GT3 RS on track. The ZR1 is going to destroy that. Which means if the GTD was built to beat the GT3 RS it will struggle to beat a ZR1. Wonder if GM could put out an extreme aero package, one above the announced 1,200 lbs downforce package.
 
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Also, the Z06 has already beat the GT3 RS on track. The ZR1 is going to destroy that. Which means if the GTD was built to beat the GT3 RS it will struggle to beat a ZR1.
Out here at Big Willow, the 992 RS is quicker. Have they said how much the ZR1 will weigh?
 

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Out here at Big Willow, the 992 RS is quicker. Have they said how much the ZR1 will weigh?
3950 for the base coupe. The CF option will be lighter.
 

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It’s not a hyper car unless you want to call a lucid air or Tesla plaid (both over 1000hp) Hypercars. It is in true super sports car territory now, I will say that. Power is not the only metric.
 

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It’s not a hyper car unless you want to call a lucid air or Tesla plaid (both over 1000hp) Hypercars. It is in true super sports car territory now, I will say that. Power is not the only metric.
Neither of those cars handles or breaks particularly well though. They just aren't cut out for a circuit track at all.

However, the z06 was already competing with, in some cases besting, the current GT3 RS which is faster than the GT2 RS. I think that says a lot ... Porsche's fastest most dedicated track car is only as good as the z06.

Now they are adding another 400 hp and lb/ft onto that same car and even more downforce.
 

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The new ZR1 will be about half the cost of the GTD and probably beat it in most things. I prefer the look of the C7s, as the C8s already look dated. But I'd drive the shit out of the new ZR1.
 
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The new ZR1 will be about half the cost of the GTD and probably beat it in most things. I prefer the look of the C7s, as the C8s already look dated. But I'd drive the shit out of the new ZR1.
With markups I bet the ZR1 will be closer to GTD pricing than most think, unless GM threatens to withhold allocations from dealers again. Will it beat the GTD in a straight line? I think that’s pretty much a given, especially without the aero package. Will it beat GTD around a track? That’s what GTD was specifically designed & built for, so I wouldn’t be as confident in the ZR1. Remember, ZR1 is a street car built for the track. GTD is a track car built for the street. There’s enough of a difference there that I’d probably shade towards GTD. Would be fun to watch them both fly around a track though.

Whoever wins around track probably doesn’t matter too much though in the grand scheme of all things Mustang and Corvette. I don’t think Corvette is benchmarking against Mustang and same goes for Mustang benchmarking against Corvette. They’re still very different cars. Could be wrong though.

And I’m with you, I’d drive the snot out of both of them if given the opportunity. I’m just glad that the two American car companies are still cranking out these high HP V8 monsters when others folded up their tents and went home.
 

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Neither of those cars handles or breaks particularly well though. They just aren't cut out for a circuit track at all.

However, the z06 was already competing with, in some cases besting, the current GT3 RS which is faster than the GT2 RS. I think that says a lot ... Porsche's fastest most dedicated track car is only as good as the z06.

Now they are adding another 400 hp and lb/ft onto that same car and even more downforce.
Sure but neither the of the P-cars are “hyper cars”. The 918 Spyder is. The AMG One is. The AM Valkyrie is. Any Koeniggsegg. The La Ferrari, etc. I don’t think any production Lambo meets hypercar status. Bugatti of course fits the bill…

Maybe the SP3, or XX Stradale too. Those are on the edge imo. The SF90 is not, and that was a benchmark car for the ZR1.

Raw power and track performance alone do not make a hypercar or supercar. You need performance, luxury, the ever ambiguous “social cache”, exclusivity, a bespoke chassis/design, a certain refinement to the design ethos etc. ZR1 ticks a couple of those boxes.

Ford GT is the closest thing to a hyper car an American MFG has, mostly due to the completely bespoke design, limited production, and racing pedigree.

It’s the same reason the GT500 is not a supercar, despite the performance and history. It lacks an overall unique platform and design; it’s also basically a normal mustang inside. Nothing special. The driving experience IS truly special, and exceeds many supercar experiences, but I would not call it one.

The C8 and mustang have unique identities.
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