Bought Mach 1 with HP but not an HP?

[Aonarch]

Check auto trader, same year non HP is worth 5k-10k less.

Same price here... There are definitely less of them out there, but I've seen two and they are priced the same.

Listing price isn't a good way of pricing a vehicle though.

MMR would be the best, but I don't have access.

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[RobZ71LM7]

HP is the R of Mach 1. Your car non HP will overheat when raced, HP wont. Would you be okay with buying a boss 302 Laguna Seca and getting non LS boss and saying its same thing? HP cars also hold a higher value than the non HP.

Okay, I think this comment right here proves you should stop lecturing to us about Mach 1's.

 

[IPOGT]

You're right, base Mach 1 has the extra coolers so I guess its fine in that department. OP paid for HP Mach 1, bill of sales says its HP and price reflected that. When he sells it as non HP or fake HP car he will lose 10k+ based on this missing option. The dealer is the bread winner here and OP lost value.

The only thing that’s different other than the HP parts is the door sticker.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

HP guys that refer to non-HP cars as "base" M1s are elitist posers dont know the difference. We could have a whole other discussion about owning a HP and not tracking it, but let's not derail the tread further...

Back to the discussion at hand, I do feel like some responsibility has to be in the buyer for not checking the vin or window sticker before purchasing. I mean c'mon everyone here would have done that. That said if the car truely was advertised as having the handling package, then the dealer falsely advertised the car. I do think the values of these cars are softening quickly, and the HP option isn't increasing the values as much as they where a year or two ago.

Not sure if the OP mentioned what he paid for the car, or if the dealer even factored the HP package into the price. Hopefully he will come back and give an update.

 

[RacerMach1]

Okay, I think this comment right here proves you should stop lecturing to us about Mach 1's.

Ya I confused the 2015-2016 350 Track pack with no coolers with the HP.

HP guys that refer to non-HP cars as "base" M1s are elitist posers dont know the difference. We could have a whole other discussion about owning a HP and not tracking it, but let's not derail the tread further...

Back to the discussion at hand, I do feel like some responsibility has to be in the buyer for not checking the vin or window sticker before purchasing. I mean c'mon everyone here would have done that. That said if the car truely was advertised as having the handling package, then the dealer falsely advertised the car. I do think the values of these cars are softening quickly, and the HP option isn't increasing the values as much as they where a year or two ago.

Not sure if the OP mentioned what he paid for the car, or if the dealer even factored the HP package into the price. Hopefully he will come back and give an update.

OP mentioned the HP is on bill of sale as an option so he definitely paid for it.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Ya I confused the 2015-2016 350 Track pack with no coolers with the HP.


OP mentioned the HP is on bill of sale as an option so he definitely paid for it.

His post was absolutely spot on.

 

[S550HPP]

Agreed he should be able to get something for it, but I'm not a lawyer, let alone familiar with laws in Canada. We also haven't seen the bill of sale. I think he would have a hard time getting the full MSRP option price delta on a 4 year old car that's depreciated.

Any updates OP @HOWABOUT. ? What did the dealer say?

I am familiar with Canada and can verify there are scams everywhere with zero consequences for scammers.

All he has to do is allow the dealer opportunity to remedy. Absent that go to the dealer licensing regulator and file official complaint since they exist to protect consumers from dealer scams. He may have a two week return entitlement as well depending on the province.

One of the reasons Canada is scammers central is that people are terrified of "complaining" and prefer to eat *#$@ instead, so the millions of 5th world unvetted newcomers are running every trick in the 4,000 year old book and their legacy managers are learning fast.

I refuse to deal with any Canadians unless they are providing a letter of credit.

It's always comical at the restaurant table when I'm served pig swill instead of the overprices menu item and return it - everyone is horrified and embarrassed LOL.

He can also sue in small claims which is effortless for the main part.

 

[Boyd]

Aaaand the ignore button is now in use. What an asshat.

 

[Cobra Jet]

So I didn’t see it in all these pages of back and forth debating an HP vs Non-HP Mach 1 and how they are equipped.

But…

If I’m a Buyer looking to buy X-performance vehicle - you better believe that I:
- would already know that vehicle inside and out from when it debuted or was first talked about in any press release, following through any new or used car research for that vehicle

- would not need to rely on or read through any Manufacturer literature to know what that vehicle was or should be equipped with, because as noted above, I’m a Buyer seeking a specific platform that I know should look like, have, and be “ABC”

- would not need the window sticker to know what that vehicle should be equipped with or its price point

- would know the cost difference between an “HP” or “Non-HP” x-vehicle platform IF the vehicle I happen to see was NOT an HP… and be aware of the inconsistency enough to mention it BEFORE buying

To me - and this isn’t a bash or to be taken offensively by the OP, but it just seems that the OP was either emotionally “blind” that they wanted this particular car and didn’t really look it over or ask the questions that should have been asked

OR

They didn’t know what they were really buying due to lack of knowledge of the differences between an HP and Non-HP

In either scenario, to me as a total outsider, the “mistake” is equally 50/50 where the Buyer should have known what they were buying BEFORE even signing anything …. Meaning if I KNEW I was wanting to buy an HP and KNEW what an HP should be equipped with - the moment I saw THAT car and saw the missing components, the deal would not have happened at all.

The Dealership is wrong for putting a price on the vehicle of an HP if in fact it was not truly an HP. However, not all Dealerships are cognizant of every special detail for every “specialty” car out there, nor are their Sales Force, or Procurement Teams who buy/retag for sale. This goes for both new and used vehicles; seen it many many times through the years where cars are listed wrong or go in person and the car listed isn’t what it should be…and was purposely listed as such to just get people in the door.

IMO, if the OP isn’t happy with the purchase then they need to research Canada’s used car laws with regards to how the car was marketed. However, I feel that anyone who would entertain the claim would ask or inquire about the same I had mentioned above as to what the OP was actually out to buy and why they didn’t pick up on the fact that the car was not “As Built”.

Again I do not see this as a 100% Dealership issue at all and from a legal perspective, the Dealership didn’t force the sale or sign the paperwork. Yes they may have listed and priced the car wrong, BUT it’s up to the Buyer to do their due diligence and KNOW what it is they are actually buying when they sign any contracts or paperwork to finalize the sale.

 

[saleen367]

If indeed the dealer misrepresented the car by incorrectly listing it, you may have legal grounds. However, the difference in price would not be worth hiring an attorney.

Best case scenario, try to return it by amicable means, indicating you thought you were buying the car as advertised. The dealership may take the car back, tear up the sales agreement and allow you to move on. Its hard to say as every dealership has different policies.

Either way, its not a big deal. Most people would be hard pressed to distinguish the differences driving the HP and non.

 

[cerbomark]

you probably paid more than you should have. talk to dealer, show them the paperwork and value difference. they ll probabaly say that being a used vehicle the price would not be a big factor if at all. I wouldn't opt for a return, nothing wrong with the car if you don t need camber plates (which most people don't). Some cash back would be nice but I doubt it will happen. good luck.

 

[young at heart]

What does it matter, it's all bolt-ons. As long as it's all there and as it should be (colour of spoiler etc), it's HP.

No, it isn’t. Not even close. Even if you could somehow duplicate every single item of difference and all the calibrations, it still wouldn’t be. Might function the same but it still either is or isn’t, and it isn’t.

Try telling it to the used car manager appraising the car when you go to trade it back in.

 

[Aonarch]

No, it isn’t. Not even close. Even if you could somehow duplicate every single item of difference and all the calibrations, it still wouldn’t be. Might function the same but it still either is or isn’t, and it isn’t.

Try telling it to the used car manager appraising the car when you go to trade it back in.

But it is all bolt on, and I showed how the values are the same on paper.

The Handling Package isn't some crazy magical package. It was an option on the already special Mach 1.

HP Elitists need to chill.

My first Mach 1 was a HP, for my second one I skipped it due to not wanting the wheels, tires, camber plates, front spliter, rear spoiler, etc.

 

[young at heart]

But it is all bolt on, and I showed how the values are the same on paper.

The Handling Package isn't some crazy magical package. It was an option on the already special Mach 1.

HP Elitists need to chill.

My first Mach 1 was a HP, for my second one I skipped it due to not wanting the wheels, tires, camber plates, front spliter, rear spoiler, etc.

I‘m sorry but it’s either on the window sticker or it’s not. Period. And KBB notwithstanding if it really made no difference the HP option would be free if you wanted it.

I’ve had them both and I’m by far no elitist. But I am a 40+ year retired dealer and I understand exactly how the market works. Others may or may not. The fact that most people (myself likely included) can’t fully utilize the difference doesn’t change the market.

I‘ll stand by while a video is posted of a ‘69 Camaro going through Mecum with the owner explaining to the auctioneer that it has all the Z-28 bits added so he’s expecting the same price.

 

[Aonarch]

I‘m sorry but it’s either on the window sticker or it’s not. Period. And KBB notwithstanding if it really made no difference the HP option would be free if you wanted it.

I’ve had them both and I’m by far no elitist. But I am a 40+ year retired dealer and I understand exactly how the market works. Others may or may not. The fact that most people (myself likely included) can’t fully utilize the difference doesn’t change the market.

I‘ll stand by while a video is posted of a ‘69 Camaro going through Mecum with the owner explaining to the auctioneer that it has all the Z-28 bits added so he’s expecting the same price.

Comparing a '69 Camaro to a modern Mustang is apples to oranges.

Again MMR shows practically no difference in value between HP and Non-HP, as a retired dealer, you should know MMR is one of the most used indicators of car value.

KBB shows zero difference. I'm not a fan of KBB, but it is another data point.

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