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I've agonized over making a post on this subject as I am on neither side in regard to liking or disliking this company. Full transparency that I am not tuned by said company and that was a choice I made after doing my research and deciding to go with national another tuner which is currently used by others as well. With that out of the way, let me say this:
I actually look at this individual's videos to see if I can glean some knowledge as it seems like he is informed and capable on the Coyote platform. Although I have a GT350, which there is not much content on his channel, there are some individuals with GT350s that ask questions sparingly which I hope to come across for current or future reference. Although I am not a fan of his presented personality on YouTube, I don't know the man personally, therefore saying that I don't like a person based on a "product" for public consumption is a line that I won't cross. IMHO the content on his daily postings has "devolved" as it relates to the percentage of requested knowledgeable feedback on questions regarding tuning and setups. I get it that some of the questions asked are either common sense or potentially trolling questions and his responses are provided accordingly, but that content that I believe used to be there has been marginalized. His dislike of Ford products and other YouTubers has now taken center stage, therefore, I have to tune out most times. Additionally, I do not have a particular interest in seven, eight, and nine-second track cars only because my car is street driven, therefore, my goals for my car do not align with discussions on those setups. As we all know, many local quarter-mile tracks are being closed, mine included, so even seeing these cars run those numbers are not in my purview. I admittedly do look at and enjoy his content outside of the daily show on his car dynos and tuning, dragy times on his vehicle and installs which MAYBE relfect his personality outside of the daily show. He actually seems like a chill guy with none of the histrionics included. Lastly, what is dicey to me is in regards to him separating the company with which he is employed and what he says on his channel. Although the disclaimer is stated often that his views do not represent that of his employer, the lines, again IMHO, seemed to be blurred when that is said, then in the next breath it is stated to "take your business elsewhere, "WE" don't want you" in speaking about responses to customer tickets that come across the transom at his place of employment. There seems to be a very vague delineation of "work" versus "YouTube" and the casual observer, based on their perception of his personality, may base doing business with said company on how he is presenting company business as part of the channel. Forgive my long post as I just wanted to provide an objective view on the subject for consumption. As with anything, we all have the choice to do or not do something. It is a choice whether or not to tune into his channel or purchase products/services from the company of which he is employed based on his channel or based on experience dealing with said company. Proceed accordingly on whatever grounds YOU base your choice on. Thank you for listening if you've read this.
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I've agonized over making a post on this subject as I am on neither side in regard to liking or disliking this company. Full transparency that I am not tuned by said company and that was a choice I made after doing my research and deciding to go with national another tuner which is currently used by others as well. With that out of the way, let me say this:
I actually look at this individual's videos to see if I can glean some knowledge as it seems like he is informed and capable on the Coyote platform. Although I have a GT350, which there is not much content on his channel, there are some individuals with GT350s that ask questions sparingly which I hope to come across for current or future reference. Although I am not a fan of his presented personality on YouTube, I don't know the man personally, therefore saying that I don't like a person based on a "product" for public consumption is a line that I won't cross. IMHO the content on his daily postings has "devolved" as it relates to the percentage of requested knowledgeable feedback on questions regarding tuning and setups. I get it that some of the questions asked are either common sense or potentially trolling questions and his responses are provided accordingly, but that content that I believe used to be there has been marginalized. His dislike of Ford products and other YouTubers has now taken center stage, therefore, I have to tune out most times. Additionally, I do not have a particular interest in seven, eight, and nine-second track cars only because my car is street driven, therefore, my goals for my car do not align with discussions on those setups. As we all know, many local quarter-mile tracks are being closed, mine included, so even seeing these cars run those numbers are not in my purview. I admittedly do look at and enjoy his content outside of the daily show on his car dynos and tuning, dragy times on his vehicle and installs which MAYBE relfect his personality outside of the daily show. He actually seems like a chill guy with none of the histrionics included. Lastly, what is dicey to me is in regards to him separating the company with which he is employed and what he says on his channel. Although the disclaimer is stated often that his views do not represent that of his employer, the lines, again IMHO, seemed to be blurred when that is said, then in the next breath it is stated to "take your business elsewhere, "WE" don't want you" in speaking about responses to customer tickets that come across the transom at his place of employment. There seems to be a very vague delineation of "work" versus "YouTube" and the casual observer, based on their perception of his personality, may base doing business with said company on how he is presenting company business as part of the channel. Forgive my long post as I just wanted to provide an objective view on the subject for consumption. As with anything, we all have the choice to do or not do something. It is a choice whether or not to tune into his channel or purchase products/services from the company of which he is employed based on his channel or based on experience dealing with said company. Proceed accordingly on whatever grounds YOU base your choice on. Thank you for listening if you've read this.
As we all know, many local quarter-mile tracks are being closed, mine included..

Why is this happening?
 

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As we all know, many local quarter-mile tracks are being closed, mine included..

Why is this happening?
In AZ it is happening because the Gila River Indian Community is selling the property to make way for a freeway overpass... And $40 million... They need more access to the casino..
 

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Why is this happening?
nobody cares about 1/4 mile times. EVs spank any comer.

But mostly it has to do with sound/noise. Houses are being built in close proximity and the Karens didn't bother to READ the disclaimer on their property choice so instead of graciously taking the clue-by-4 to the head, they scream at the City/County gov't apparatchik till they get their way. Either outright ban, or noise abatement, or limit on operating hours. To the point the track is uneconomic to run. Insurance companies with an overt political agenda are also denying event and property coverage because they are anti-car, or at least anti-irresponsible-greenhouse events.
 

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nobody cares about 1/4 mile times. EVs spank any comer.

But mostly it has to do with sound/noise. Houses are being built in close proximity and the Karens didn't bother to READ the disclaimer on their property choice so instead of graciously taking the clue-by-4 to the head, they scream at the City/County gov't apparatchik till they get their way. Either outright ban, or noise abatement, or limit on operating hours. To the point the track is uneconomic to run. Insurance companies with an overt political agenda are also denying event and property coverage because they are anti-car, or at least anti-irresponsible-greenhouse events.
that's sad.. they complain about street racing antics (which is justified) but are killing the venues to do this responsibly. We have a strip here in Kaukauna Wisconsin called WIR. It's a bit out of the residential area, but still close enough for people to hear. I hope this never happens to that track.
Also, EV's should not be allowed or at least have their own division. I drove in a tesla the other day that did zero to 60 in like 2 seconds.. what a joke and a disappointment.. felt like I was in a golf cart....
 

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As we all know, many local quarter-mile tracks are being closed, mine included..

Why is this happening?
Here in Georgia, Silver Dollar in Macon is still open, but Atlanta Dragway in Commerce, which was very close to where I live now, closed within the past year or so. Growth in that area and I assume the land the dragway was on was worth a mint. There is a huge battery plant around that area and they have an outlet that has been there for years. I believe the land has been converted to housing complexes. They actually ran NHRA events at Atlanta Dragway in the past. The more they close, the more craziness hit the streets with folks and fast cars that don't know how to drive or respect them.
 

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Not trying to hijack, I'm just trying to see if there's any pattern here. Anyone with a manual Gen 2 car tuned by Lund have any rev hang issues? Mods: 2018+ OEM CAI, 1320Junkie ported 18 IM w/ lockouts, ARH catless longtubes

Mine does it something fierce if I shift under 2k rpm. When I initially loaded the tune and was doing my datalogs, I didn't think much of it. I can drive around it if I shift between 2200-2500, but it gets to be a real pain in slow traffic. I was going to ask the guy assigned to my order to take a look into it, but I had recently asked for a revision since I originally had a JLT setup that I ended up not being fond of and I wanted to go to a 2018+ OEM CAI. Well, apparently the guy got a little irritated that I was swapping CAI's soon after we had the tune with the JLT finalized and made a point to say that I was "hunting for just a couple hp and my money is better served going boosted". Nevermind the fact that where I live, it gets really hot during the summer and the JLT heatsoaked terribly in traffic. After that interaction, I didn't think bringing up the rev hang issue would end well. At this point I am interested in another tuner, but I am just curious if anyone else has experienced this.
 

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Not trying to hijack, I'm just trying to see if there's any pattern here. Anyone with a manual Gen 2 car tuned by Lund have any rev hang issues? Mods: 2018+ OEM CAI, 1320Junkie ported 18 IM w/ lockouts, ARH catless longtubes

Mine does it something fierce if I shift under 2k rpm. When I initially loaded the tune and was doing my datalogs, I didn't think much of it. I can drive around it if I shift between 2200-2500, but it gets to be a real pain in slow traffic. I was going to ask the guy assigned to my order to take a look into it, but I had recently asked for a revision since I originally had a JLT setup that I ended up not being fond of and I wanted to go to a 2018+ OEM CAI. Well, apparently the guy got a little irritated that I was swapping CAI's soon after we had the tune with the JLT finalized and made a point to say that I was "hunting for just a couple hp and my money is better served going boosted". Nevermind the fact that where I live, it gets really hot during the summer and the JLT heatsoaked terribly in traffic. After that interaction, I didn't think bringing up the rev hang issue would end well. At this point I am interested in another tuner, but I am just curious if anyone else has experienced this.
I've had zero issues with my Gen 2 manual Lund tuned. Originally, I had similar mods as you- ported 18 mani locked out, GT350 CAI, FFE, 47 lb injectors on E85/93 and it ran flawlessly. Once I went FI they again tuned my car with no problems. No complaints here. Brandon tuned it when NA and Dakota tuned it boosted.
 

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@Red65, I have a Gen 3 and I’m tuned by Lund. I had rev hang when coming to a stop with my PMAS on rhe car. When I asked my tuner at Lund about it, he said it was caused by turbulence from the PMAS and there was nothing he could do to tune it out. I kept driving the car and after a while it worked itself out. Maybe adaptive learning over time compensated for it. Aside from that, my tunes have all been great.

I recently installed an IMRC lockout kit and asked Lund about it. The person I spoke to (can’t remember his name, but he’s not the guy who wrote my tunes) did not seem happy that I had installed lockouts and asked why I had done it. Long story short, he said I would need new tunes and it would cost me $150. I am nervous about whether the tune revisions will cause rev hang to reappear. I hope all goes well.
 

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Not trying to hijack, I'm just trying to see if there's any pattern here. Anyone with a manual Gen 2 car tuned by Lund have any rev hang issues? Mods: 2018+ OEM CAI, 1320Junkie ported 18 IM w/ lockouts, ARH catless longtubes

Mine does it something fierce if I shift under 2k rpm. When I initially loaded the tune and was doing my datalogs, I didn't think much of it. I can drive around it if I shift between 2200-2500, but it gets to be a real pain in slow traffic. I was going to ask the guy assigned to my order to take a look into it, but I had recently asked for a revision since I originally had a JLT setup that I ended up not being fond of and I wanted to go to a 2018+ OEM CAI. Well, apparently the guy got a little irritated that I was swapping CAI's soon after we had the tune with the JLT finalized and made a point to say that I was "hunting for just a couple hp and my money is better served going boosted". Nevermind the fact that where I live, it gets really hot during the summer and the JLT heatsoaked terribly in traffic. After that interaction, I didn't think bringing up the rev hang issue would end well. At this point I am interested in another tuner, but I am just curious if anyone else has experienced this.
Zero issues with rev hang on my Gen 3, actually no issues whatsoever.
 

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I rewatched the video last night not only does he shit on his customers he also talks trash about PBD and infers their tunes are garbage.
 

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Looks like Wildhorse is correct.

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that's sad.. they complain about street racing antics (which is justified) but are killing the venues to do this responsibly. We have a strip here in Kaukauna Wisconsin called WIR. It's a bit out of the residential area, but still close enough for people to hear. I hope this never happens to that track.
Also, EV's should not be allowed or at least have their own division. I drove in a tesla the other day that did zero to 60 in like 2 seconds.. what a joke and a disappointment.. felt like I was in a golf cart....
I don’t disagree, however, the street racing/takeover turds likely weren’t going to patronize the local drag strips anyways. It seems like a lot of that BS is done for the Gram and TikTok, straight up racing done legally at tracks don’t get the views these idiots are looking for. The takeover and street racing crap has been happening a lot more here and it’s killing the opportunity to have meets and shows because nobody wants to give up their parking lots for an evening with the risk that idiots in clapped out Infiniti’s, Honda’s, Mopar’s, etc. show up and cause trouble. Sorry for the mini rant, I just have a real disdain for those types of folks. My 13 year old son really likes cars and I try to get him to as many meets as I can so he doesn’t lose that passion but they keep decreasing every year.

Anyways, back on topic crapping on Lund…
 

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Not trying to hijack, I'm just trying to see if there's any pattern here. Anyone with a manual Gen 2 car tuned by Lund have any rev hang issues? Mods: 2018+ OEM CAI, 1320Junkie ported 18 IM w/ lockouts, ARH catless longtubes

Mine does it something fierce if I shift under 2k rpm. When I initially loaded the tune and was doing my datalogs, I didn't think much of it. I can drive around it if I shift between 2200-2500, but it gets to be a real pain in slow traffic. I was going to ask the guy assigned to my order to take a look into it, but I had recently asked for a revision since I originally had a JLT setup that I ended up not being fond of and I wanted to go to a 2018+ OEM CAI. Well, apparently the guy got a little irritated that I was swapping CAI's soon after we had the tune with the JLT finalized and made a point to say that I was "hunting for just a couple hp and my money is better served going boosted". Nevermind the fact that where I live, it gets really hot during the summer and the JLT heatsoaked terribly in traffic. After that interaction, I didn't think bringing up the rev hang issue would end well. At this point I am interested in another tuner, but I am just curious if anyone else has experienced this.

My gen 2 has rev hang with the lund tune. (18 mani locked out) It is annoying. My cooling fans also always come on now since my lund tune.

Not even sure how that's connected/possible but it started immediately after I installed my tune.

I need a revision for E85 and O/R pipe soon so I'll see what Lund comes back with.
 

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my take as a former business owner after reading through and watching said video

After retiring from the military I owned 2 businesses and I never did these things:

1. Answer irresponsibly to a customers complaint on places like google or Yelp.
2. Had a YouTube channel where I allowed one of my employees to disparaged future customers because they where ignorant of what we did.

These displays of arrogance are a cancer to a company. It slowly starts to eat away at the customer base and soon enough you’ll wonder why your business isn’t doing as well and next thing you know you’re business is on life support then closes because the customer base that’s left is too small to maintain your dream. I have seen this happen to many of speed shops and other companies in my area. They feel they are too “good/big” to fail. We’ve already seen this play out in a grander scale in society.

If I where the owners of Lund I’d tell not ask this guy to quell his rhetoric or get rid of him. He is not going to help their business. I’m willing to bet that majority of their gross income is made by regular street tunes.

From experience the ”big jobs” made up 3% of my business gross income (Porsche Maserati Ferrari Lambo) people do not drive these cars very often. 97% of my gross income was made from volume (Ford gm pontiac Chrysler etc) daily driven cars.

I am sure that nation wide there isn’t enough 7, 8, and 9 sec cars to maintain their business. I wish them good luck.
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