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I would say that article nails it. I never had seriously considered buying a Mustang except for possibly a used GT350. I've been driving BMWs and other euro cars for the past 20 years and was about to buy another, and then I saw the PP2 online. I loved the look, I loved the package. I did what any reasonable man with two kids a wife and mortgage would do. I found one at a dealer in Tennessee, bought it, and had it shipped to my house in California. Never saw one in person let alone drove one. The second I saw it coming off the delivery truck, i was blown away. It looks different. It looks special in a way that factory cars can look and you know it's factory, but a little more bad ass. Even though I had a n54 335 that was fbo running e85, I was genuinely nervous starting and driving it the first time. No BMW I owned ever made that sound when I pushed the Start button. Compared to the BMW, it sounds and feels absolutely raw, like my old 74' Camaro with headers and cherry bombs under the seat. Then I drove it through town. It felt slow, sluggish, pedestrian, but looked and sounded great, I was still happy, but didn't really know what it was going to feel like when I hit the nice, winding northern California roads I'm fortunate enough to have right behind my house. Once I was there and could open it up, I did. Felt pretty quick, not like 335, but quick. I expected more violent thrust, but the handling and braking were far beyond anything I'd owned and reminded me of Murcielago I'd paid to drive a few parking lot laps in. I also realised after about 20 minutes why it felt sluggish. I was used to driving a 470 hp twin turbo BMW, more torque than it had horsepower, and a auto 6 speed with stage 3 tranny software. I hadn't driven a stick since my 2001 GTI. But shifting was only a small part is the issue. It was rpms. I was shifting it waaay to early. It needed those last 2000 rpms, that's where the power lived. I was holding it back. There are still tight sections with little straights between sharp turns where i could dance the beemer through like a rally car. The burst of twin turbo torque instant speed regardless of rpm is addictive as anything. You definitely miss it when you want to haul but don't feel like making the town think a 7400 rpm Godzilla is rampaging through the countryside. But, that being said, and it's way more than I planned on saying, i don't care about the knocks, I'm already used to the tick of DI from the BMW, I'm getting over the ridiculously stupid fake stitching in the dash (I'll never really get over it though :) and the generally lower level of build/material quality in nearly every way, missing 2nd at high rpms, 3rd whenever it wants to change things up, and I'll put some damn metallic streamers or something to keep my axle cool or just simply add a cooler if I spend time at the track. I fucking love this car. Old dudes in pick up trucks stare at it like it's the hottest Grandma at the nursing home and they are the only one with Viagra. People who don't know shit about cars want to know about it. People in Starbucks drive through want to talk about it. People love. I love it.
I fucking love it.
Best post on the site! You nailed it! (There are a couple of gems in here too, buying sight unseen and the nursing home lines are precious.) I too think this package is great, so glad Ford decided to offer it in 2018. Great around town, you could certainly DD it, go rip a canyon on a Sunday morning, or go hit a track day at a local track. Very versitile, very affordable for what you get.
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Then you must've missed the thread where I discussed that I had taken both a GT and a GT350 on track, and wasn't impressed enough with it to think that $20k spent on a GT couldn't make it better, thus why I decided to buy a GT rather than a GT350. I'm not smack talking it at all, I was seriously considering buying one, as it was a seriously impressive car when it first came out. I'm just saying it's certainly not anywhere near worth the $20k premium over a PP2.
+1 (if you substitute GT with GTPP2 - this was me the first part of 2018)
 

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+1 (if you substitute GT with GTPP2 - this was me the first part of 2018)
It's funny, it seems the people who have driven BOTH the PP2 and GT350 tend to agree with me, but the people who have ONLY driven a GT350 or have driven a GT350 and a 15-17 GT get all huff and puff about it
 

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Agree big time. They could've called it "track pack" if they had added a diff cooler, but alas, they did not. But even otherwise, they were going to name it "Tremor", which while it isn't a GREAT name, it was a hell of a lot better. They also could've chosen from Mach 1, Boss 302, Shelby GT, etc...

But "Performance Package LEVEL 2" just SCREAMS "afterthought"
From the beginning, Ford has said that the Level 2 was NOT a "track package" (hence no coolers, GT350R rear brakes, etc. ... tho Ford does market them thru Ford Performance). It was designed to fill the (huge) gap that existed between the basic (& it was just that!) Performance Package (Level 1?) & the GT350R which Ford has said IS their track car. To me, "Level 2" says "2nd gen" ... improved or upgraded. No different than using BOSS 302 to distinguish it from the basic Ford 302 engine. To be honest, this is one of those never-ending debates on individualizing the Mustang. And, no matter what Ford gives us, we will always want more (or, sometimes, even less ... like weight). Immediately after picking up my PP2 in a few weeks, it goes right over to Steeda for an improved shifter, brake & clutch lines & some additional chassis bracing. Even before it leaves the dealership, the chrome badging will be replaced & a Bullitt grille assy installed. Thank goodness for the aftermarket & all those wonderful "mo' bettah goodies" that we all buy to personalize our cars. :clap:
 
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I know what Ford SAYS ... but putting those tires on a car & then saying its not a track car is just hogwash. It won't ever add up because it doesn't add up.
IMO, while there was benefit in lower track times, the real reason Ford equipped the PP2 Mustang w/the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tire was to exceed 1g on the skid pad. Track times are only relevant to the track you are on, but 1.06g on skid pad is relevant world wide ... especially for PR purposes. The downside, of course, is considerably less wet weather traction w/the Cup 2 tire. My Mustangs have never been "garage queens" so I am immediately dumping the Cup 2 tires for a set of summer tires. I will give up extreme dry handling for wet weather performance anytime. Anybody looking for a virtually new set of 305/30x19 Cup 2 tires? :like:
 

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From the beginning, Ford has said that the Level 2 was NOT a "track package" (hence no coolers, GT350R rear brakes, etc. ... tho Ford does market them thru Ford Performance). It was designed to fill the (huge) gap that existed between the basic (& it was just that!) Performance Package (Level 1?) & the GT350R which Ford has said IS their track car. To me, "Level 2" says "2nd gen" ... improved or upgraded. No different than using BOSS 302 to distinguish it from the basic Ford 302 engine. To be honest, this is one of those never-ending debates on individualizing the Mustang. And,no matter what Ford gives us, we will always want more (or, sometimes, even less ... like weight). Immediately after picking up my PP2 in a few weeks, it goes right over to Steeda for an improved shifter, brake & clutch lines & some additional chassis bracing. Even before it leaves the dealership, the chrome badging will be replaced & a Bullitt grille assy installed. Thank goodness for the aftermarket & all those wonderful "mo' bettah goodies" that we all buy to personalize our cars. :clap:
I agree it's all marketing if somebody at Ford had been thinking it would have been a great way to bring back the mach 1 name.
 

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Anybody looking for a virtually new set of 305/30x19 Cup 2 tires? :like:
Right here! I live right near DFW, so if you're looking for someone to dump them off on, I'll take em!
 

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Great article!! I love my PP2. I drove a few GT350's pretty hard and I must say it was a hard decision. I just couldn't see paying the difference since I will not be tracking it a lot. If I plan to track it, I will just add the coolers. It was a great car in stock form, now it's a complete beast with all the mods.
 

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My complaint...why is the AT left out of this package?
Because racing should be done with a manual.
Ford didn't put the A10 on the PP2 b/c it would be faster ALL around than a GT350.

Faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile b/c of the A10.

And with the added tires and A10, it would be faster on the track.... at least for a few laps before it overheated.
 

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I agree, it's all marketing. If somebody at Ford had been thinking, it would have been a great way to bring back the Mach 1 name.
I guess I am just too "old school" as I like the simple GT term because, for me, that's exactly what my Mustang is ... GT - Gran Turismo - Grand Touring. Last year, in my '98 GT, I drove to PA (Simeone Museum), FL (Sebring) & CA (to see my kids). In the end, it's all potato / potatoe, right? Hang in there tho cuz I understand that Ford is possibly bringing out a 5th gen Mach 1. However, IMO, it will be closer to the Bullitt side of the Mustang lineup v. the GT350 side.
 

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Right here! I live right near DFW, so if you're looking for someone to dump them off on, I'll take 'em!
The tires will have less than 100 miles on 'em. The car will be trailered home from dealer & garaged until new tires arrive. Tire Rack wants $1,800+ for a set. Text me @ 471-8499.
 

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IMO, while there was benefit in lower track times, the real reason Ford equipped the PP2 Mustang w/the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tire was to exceed 1g on the skid pad. Track times are only relevant to the track you are on, but 1.06g on skid pad is relevant world wide ... especially for PR purposes. The downside, of course, is considerably less wet weather traction w/the Cup 2 tire. My Mustangs have never been "garage queens" so I am immediately dumping the Cup 2 tires for a set of summer tires. I will give up extreme dry handling for wet weather performance anytime. Anybody looking for a virtually new set of 305/30x19 Cup 2 tires? :like:
I'm doing the same thing (having dealer swap them out for MPS4S before I take delivery, so they have only delivery miles on them), but it was more because of the issue with the OEM MPSC2 tires picking up every little (or not so little) thing up off the road and chucking it back towards the paint job. Here is my post on selling the take-offs.
 

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I'm doing the same thing (having dealer swap them out for MPS4S before I take delivery, so they have only delivery miles on them), but it was more because of the issue w/the OEM MPSC2 tires picking up every little (or not so little) thing up off the road & chucking it back towards the paint job. Here is my post on selling the take-offs.
I really do drive my Mustang so little things off the road are just a simple fact of life. However, a door ding will definitely take me "off my meds"!!! :curse:
 

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Right here! I live right near DFW, so if you're looking for someone to dump them off on, I'll take em!
Oops, my bad. I quoted a Tire Rack price for the Cup 2 tires as $1,800+ ($460 each). That is incorrect, they are $400 each = $1,600 per set. Evidently there is a 305/30x19 Michelin Cup 2 tire that is a Porsche spec tire which is $460!!! Go figure. :facepalm:
 

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I think this really misses the mark. The PP2 requires the Premium trim, which gets you to a $49k list without any other options (Recaro's, active exhaust). With new 2018 GT350s out there for at or below list, that seems incredibly steep, especially with the better preforming SS LE1 for several thousand less.
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