William is a good driver. Yhe chevy products are better than ford on every metric. I just could not see out of it. I wish I would have bought it anyway.I
. William took the car and ran 2 second faster than his 350R...so yes i stand in the statement ss 1le is a superior car for track usage.
Agreed. The only camaromi would buynis the zl1 1le. Very aggressive.
Man don't tempt me. Although some friends went at streetsmof willow and they experienced tons of understeer
Well consider that the 350 will be substitute with the mach1 coming end of year.
)You and I have talked before. I had the black zl1 1le. The ride was a bit harsh for me but it was excellent on the track. I knew what it was when I bought it but it was time for a change. I'll wait to see what the mach 1 looks like and the price. If the price is 2 high or single piston rears I'll just choose between the ss 1le or gt350. Im not going to be competitive cause I'm just learning and don't have the time.Well consider that the 350 will be substitute with the mach1 coming end of year.
So 350 platform will retire. Befpre than camaro.
So you could find better offers or just jump on mach1 train.
I lime the 350 but i think is a old platform.
And i would not spend that type of money for somenthing just ended.
Camaro without 1le is obectively ugly especially last models (no offense
But the 1le package chamged the cards on the table ( is an old italian saying. Hope you guys get the meaning lol)
For similar money remember there is always the C8 option..
I really wish this thread had been around before I bought my 2018 PP2, would have stopped me dead in my tracks.Someone else wrote:
<<I've had so many other issues like a failed APIM and interior trim that was sagging around the instrument cluster that I just don't know about Ford anymore.
Anyways, there's my story.>>>
I'm not a ford guy. I bought a 2019 mustang gt pp1 to turn into my next racecar which I have done. Bought it right off the lot and gutted it welded cage. It is now an SCCA T2 clubracer and some T1. I have raced both classes in vette for 10+ years including Runoffs around country and Majors races around country and have about 30 tracks under my belt. I have been on track much longer than those 10 years and have a full garage shop, 4 welders, milling machines, tire changers, Scales, alignment tools, full service lift, fabrication tools and I weld my own cages.
I took my new gt with 300 miles on a baseline run on a not brake intense track, WSIR, and was totally disappointed on every metric except horsepower and A10 gearbox. I got slapped down by people here since I was complaining. Typical can't drive etc etc. Can't use brakes etc.
Well All I can say is yeah stick with miata. I wish I stuck with vette where I came from. In fact I built the mustang developed more than 90% of the people here and the new racecar build is for sale. I'll race it until it sells, gets crashed, or just falls apart. That's racing everything is disposable. You have to hate a car to race it and beat the living cr@p out of it and I hate this car. Win!
After all my build and development I still think the motor and A10 are good. Rest of car sucks. There is just nothing good about it. The suspension is the dumbest design I have ever seen in a performance car. Yes you can make it work. It isn't easy. There are too many flaws to list from binding suspension arms to kludge vertical links, to set ride heights with non adjustable springs. Yes there are work arounds and many are happy with a $1500 suspension kit. I'm over 10k in trying to make this car competitive. It is the most expensive cheap car I have ever built. Flyhalf on this board has tried a bunch of iterations of cooling mods. I say don't screw with it. It is so much easier to accept the lameness that is Ford and just re-engineer it. Just go for it and put the right coolers in so you don't have to screw with it again. Go big so you don't find renewed problems. I got zero development time in coolers because I just beat the problem with sledgehammer. There are a couple of us here not going to mish stuff because it is expensive and not comprehensive or did not appear so on website. It was easy to attack oil with 67000btu derale cooler and a setraub oil filter plate and same 67000btu cooler for A10 and stock radiator. I repurposed the stock trans cooler for the diff. This is super easy because derale makes a support rack that is perfect size for mustang and bolts right to our radiator support. The oil and trans cooler bolt to the rail and Simple AN. Lines and you are done. Setraub makes the high quality low price filter plate that is like a tstat non-electric controlled unit so you don't have to think about it. It is a flawless setup. Add in some race louvers if you want and cooling problems solved. It all isn't cheap but to make a Mustang work you got to spend the money. That's why the car is cheap in the 1st place because Ford spend zero on this car. There isn't even a fuel port on the injector rails for diagnostics or fuel testing for a race class or if you want to tap off the rail for a safe nitrous shot. If you are a DIY guy with experience over many cars you will learn real quick the suckage continues with the over Ford build. You got really dumb stuff like the mess you make trying to change the oil, or the M6 bolts with different sized heads, or the 10.9 bolts in a low strength flange nut. I mean every time I work on this car the words, "Are you kidding me?" come out of my mouth.
Overall track performance even if you don't care at all about the street the GT350s still go higher on the list.
My only hesitation on the 2018 and newer Fords is they now have direct injection. I'm not sure whether the addition of port injection is a real panacea, especially for heavy duty track use. Direct injection is a big reason why I would stay away from a Chevy product for track use (that and the way the LS engines make power is lame compared to the Fords).
Agree and that's what the reviewers say. I wanted to push the easy button and buy a Camaro 1SS 1LE this time around, but at least around here the prices are higher than what I want to pay for what I'm getting.
You can get into a used GT350 for that kind of money. IMO it's a big step up from a modded GT. I personally am a little afraid to own a Voodoo out of warranty right now, however. Maybe the issues are overblown. Mine was perfect for 30+ thousand miles, but I know a guy local to me that lost 2 different engines.
The out of warranty risk of a GT350 is what discouraged me. I think the 5.0 is the optimal daily/track beater IF I can get it to stay cool. And there's plenty of used 5.0's around from folks crashing them leaving car shows.
What is wrong with DI? What is wrong with LS power generation? I have lived with both for many many years and never had problems with either. Only DI issue is more intake valve fouling solved with removing intake manifold and walnut shell each hole for about 5 seconds. That's it 5 seconds and hole. LS motors been racing them for 10+ years. They are great with easy sensible construction and easy reliable crate motors cheaper than crate coyotes.