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Anybody buying this media fueled COVID-19 bull schitt?

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And hell yeah we should blame China.
Yes!
If someone drives though your house do you get blamed for not building it strong enough?
No
It came from there and is their failings that allowed it to spread to the rest of the world
Yes
But this is now ancient history. The rest of the world, except Brazil, has found ways to handle this far, far better than we are. We are the United States of America. We should have kicked the shit out of COVID-19 by now. The fact that things are getting worse and not better is on us, and no one else.
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If phase 3 of the Moderna vaccine is successful, and that is a BIG IF, we could be in much better shape come the new year. That would be YUGE. For the world... not just the USA. That is probably the best we can hope for at this juncture.
 

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If phase 3 of the Moderna vaccine is successful, and that is a BIG IF, we could be in much better shape come the new year. That would be YUGE. For the world... not just the USA. That is probably the best we can hope for at this juncture.
Agreed, but then we will have to deal with the anti-vaxers. It never ends. :facepalm:
 

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In talking with my wife tonight at dinner she mentioned a couple co-workers that went to take the test, the line was long, they only filled out paperwork and left, and were called later telling them they were positive. I mean come on! Something is not right here.

At the same dinner tonight with two friends (one of which is an nurse practitioner) she mentioned the same thing happened to friends of hers.

Not making this up guys. This is ridiculous and severely brings into question the stats that are being thrown out keeping everyone at home and businesses closed.
 

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It’s going on the other direction in most countries. Japan just declared a level 4 (highest) health emergency. It’s coming back almost everywhere.

The counties with low testing like Mexico might was well not publish their numbers. Check out Israel.

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How come China isn't on that list? Asking for a friend of a friend. :giggle:
 

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In talking with my wife tonight at dinner she mentioned a couple co-workers that went to take the test, the line was long, they only filled out paperwork and left, and were called later telling them they were positive. I mean come on! Something is not right here.

At the same dinner tonight with two friends (one of which is an nurse practitioner) she mentioned the same thing happened to friends of hers.

Not making this up guys. This is ridiculous and severely brings into question the stats that are being thrown out keeping everyone at home and businesses closed.
Man, that's crazy. Getting positive tests without even taking one. Makes no sense. This is South Carolina. That's the last thing the government would want. Who is/was doing the testing?
 

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It’s going on the other direction in most countries. Japan just declared a level 4 (highest) health emergency. It’s coming back almost everywhere.

The counties with low testing like Mexico might was well not publish their numbers. Check out Israel.

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I feel like your comment re Japan needs some context.
Yes, they’re being pro-active in their approach.
They’ve lost less people to this virus, in total, than the US is losing per day.
Look at the Japanese freaking out as the daily cases count hits 300-350 from a population of
126,000,000 vs the indifference of the average American citizen as daily cases go past 60,000

The US is certainly #1 when it comes to this virus.
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No doubt we are number one. I don’t think we will lose that title for a long time. The problem with Japan is growth. Japan has a very good track and trace system but when the case number get beyond a certain point that system breaks down. Tokyo In particular is almost impossible to have any type of social distancing. This virus is an aerosol so even an N95 won’t offer full protection on a subway or small office.

Growth is the story with this thing and as the power of 72 shows us even 2 percent daily growth is a 36 day doubling time. It’s the slow grind that will cause the problems now that eradication is all but impossible.
They certainly don’t have population density on their side, that’s for sure.
However, they’ve already shown once that they can get the numbers down. I agree that beating it entirely is probably outside the realm of reality, but if the population aren’t arguing about the reported numbers/claiming it’s a hoax/refusing to wear masks/insisting on their freedoms like a bunch of 3 year olds, they’re in a decent position to at least be able to attempt to repeat their previous success.
No guarantee of success, for sure, but the opposite absolutely guarantees failure.
 

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Delaying everyone getting infected isn't exactly a success, it's just a slow motion economic failure. You have to stay shut down indefinitely if you want to continue your "success".

What's really going to happen in societies that can't stomach just allowing infections is that a vaccine that's had about 1/10th the testing of a normal vaccine is going to be forced on everyone to avoid total economic catastrophe. That's not a shot you want :D
 

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Delaying everyone getting infected isn't exactly a success, it's just a slow motion economic failure. You have to stay shut down indefinitely if you want to continue your "success".

What's really going to happen in societies that can't stomach just allowing infections is that a vaccine that's had about 1/10th the testing of a normal vaccine is going to be forced on everyone to avoid total economic catastrophe. That's not a shot you want :D
Are you saying you’re more afraid of a vaccine than the virus itself?
What if it turns out that herd-immunity simply cannot happen without a vaccine?
The link below includes information that has NOT been peer-reviewed as yet so be warned that the findings could well be “off”.
Worth a read though regardless.

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A basically untested vaccine created for political convenience vs. a disease that has about at 0.001% chance of killing someone my age with no medical conditions? I'd say the vaccine is somewhat more risky frankly.

A year and half from the first vaccine doses if nothing bad's happened, it might make more sense.

There's not really any reason to think there won't be herd immunity. In fact there's substantial evidence of it already - for example the strong negative correlation between the size of the first and second "waves" in various states. I'd say a reasonable model for this disease is about 0.2% mortality across the population skewed HEAVILY to the elderly and very sick, with 60-75% infection rate required for herd immunity. Meaning the US as a whole is about 1/3 of the way there but some places like NY and MA are basically there, and sure enough there's no second wave in those places at all.
 

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Or people just don't care because the risk isn't high enough to be worth worrying about.

The mortality would have to be an order of magnitude higher than the current CDC best estimate AND not age skewed before I'd give much of a shit.
 

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For a point of comparison, flying about 5-10 hours of general aviation (not commercial aviation) has the same mortality risk as contracting COVID-19 as a 40 year old. Is everyone who gets in a Cesna "complacent" or are they just taking a risk they feel like taking?
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