911 vs GT350 Motortrend: Which is the Better All-Around Sports Car?

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  1. Hack

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    What would be nice about it? Spending $143K to save a buck on gas?
     
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    You have gone to far.

    Talk about my sister. Fine
    Talk about my mom. Whatever.

    Talking about fuel mileage. That crosses the line man.
     
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    Please elaborate? I’ve had a 360 for a decade now and besides $1800 belts every 5 years (and the f430 doesn’t need this and has timing chains), what is not possible to do maintenance wise? DIY oil costs the same as my gt350r. Brakes cost the same too (although there is no comparison in quality lol). Tires are actually a little less. The 360 gets wayyy better gas mileage. Both will do great in depreciation, my the Ferrari is worth more today than I paid 10 years ago. Insurance is the same for me. Used values are also pretty similar at the moment too.

    Its just a car. I’ve been able to do all the maintenance myself. I even tracked it 7 or so times. Yes the modern R is more capable, but not a massive margin over a f430. As an “event” on street or on a track, it’s about preference just as much as looks. I will admit I did stop tracking it bc I was concerned of something happening and not having a warranty, the R with a 8 year warranty solves that.

    I also had a 911 turbo for 9 years. Cost me pretty much the same to own as my 360. Actually, road driving costs are a drop in the bucket compared to the 16 tires and 5 sets of brakes my R gobbles doing 15-20 track days, but at least there is a warranty.

    Edit: the loss of value for not having dealer do work is overstated and probably way disadvantageous except in the v12 or limited models). Some people put a high value on it, usually the ones who garage queen them. Others are rational and realize a oil change is an oil change, keep your receipts and records! 99874AFE-B05C-4C4E-B25E-945515DC9DF4.jpeg
     
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    ^ I think you're one of the select or handful of unique exceptions. Kudos to you of course, and nice rides too! You do save a bundle by DIY'ing.... many Ferrari owners still rely on indy or dealership shops for maintenance and repairs. So the parts/labor costs compared to a Mustang or 350 is quite a difference.
     
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    Yeah, Porsche's are like trees around here... everywhere you look there's one (Cayenne, 911's, Macan's, you name it. Mixed with a plethora of moving obstacles, i.e. Audi Q5's driven by soccer mums) . How many times you looked back after seeing a Porsche? Me? Never. Another rich guy who owns a beetle, so what. A Ferrari? People pull their phones immediately to take pictures.
    Let's be serious, it's not about track times and who's faster. It's about owing a piece of history of Motorsport. I buy my cars with my heart not with my head... It would be probably the only car I would never sell after paid off; but as you guys said each to it's own :)
     
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    I want to be you when I grow up.
     
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    I'm pretty sure this assumption is incorrect. The only difference is the size of the tire. A Cup 2 is a Cup 2 no matter what it's on.
     
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    @torque124- At least you see Porsches galore there.... there are plenty here in South FL also but in this land of pretentiousness- there are Lambos and McLarens all over. Phones whip out for those types of cars.... but I buy my cars for myself- not to bling and leisurely cruise as an eye candy for others.

    Anyway back to the article.... their closing statements are quite accurate, at least for me. I'ved gone thru Camaros, Corvettes, Mustangs, Bimmers, Vipers, and other fun way below $100K cars (no Ferraris Lambos or McLarens for me though) and at the end of the day- the 911 is truly the best all around (cost aside). I know opinions will vary and keep in mind the GT350 is absolutely phenomenal and IMO still the best factory Mustang to get. But drive hard a later model 911 for some time (no not just one day) and you'll realize why these writers still continue to praise it even against higher horsepower'ed performance cars.

    "So which car is the better all-around sports car? Both cars are within inches of each other in the drive experience department, but if cost is no object, we're taking the 911 Carrera S. The Shelby GT350 is a phenomenal car and easily one of the best Fords ever made (high praise for a 116-year-old company), but the Porsche's approachability and its singular focus on the driving experience won out with our editors. Simply put, no other car on the road offers supercar levels of performance in such a driver-friendly package. It's a car that pushes you to be at your limits, and just when you reach that crest, it reveals a new layer for you to conquer."
     
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    retail-bought Cup2s you're probably correct. OEM Cup2's can be specialized - just because they can. There's probably some code on the sidewall that differentiates compounds and construction despite the marketing (trade) name being the same. It's VERY common practice in motorcycle tires.
     
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    I have a customer who bought a 430 and I spent some time researching about the costs. It may not be the case for every car but from what I gather it's to make sure you know what you are getting into.

    As for the dealer service, my brother in law has made himself decent money going that route. He buys cars (M5s, 911s, Cayennes, etc) that don't have any real dealer service history or have a slightly tattered past. He cleans them up, does minimal work and sends them along for a fair profit. He specifically chooses these cars because they seem to get left behind on values. Lately Gallardo's and GTRs have been on his list but he has been holding off on the flipping game right now. He picked up a perfect condition 997 Turbo 6 speed for under $40k early last year, the best we can figure is because it has limited service history. Like cars with records were all in the $55k-$60k range.
     
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    I like my 350, and I’ve had two 911’s....and when I get a garage with two or more spaces I’ll get another one. At most I’d get a 991.1....not a 991.2 or a 992. Pay 60ish K for a 997.1 or 997.2, keep up on the maintenance and you will never lose money on it. I admit to liking the 996 GT3 too, so shoot me.
     
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    #42 Demonic, Oct 9, 2019
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    Definitely not the same. Billy Johnson, who was involved in the tire development of the 2019 GT350, has specifically said the new GT350 (non R) compound is a more street friendly compound. Furthermore, the compound for the R Cup 2 was developed specifically for the R. That's why the Cup 2's in identical size for the R and for Porsche have different model numbers. The Porsche has a deeper tread, which is why a few of us run the Porsche spec Cup 2 on the fronts of our R's. I have new R spec Cup 2's sitting next to Porsche spec Cup 2's in my garage and you can visually see the difference. The Porsche spec ones also tend to be slightly more expensive than the R spec ones.

    Here’s the post from Billy stating the 2019 GT350 Cup 2’s are more equivalent to the old PSS’s than the Cup 2’s on the R. Part of the issue is Michelin is now throwing the Cup 2 name around for branding.
    2019 Base GT350 Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2s in the Rain?
     
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    Apparently the C7Z cup 2 is the softest cup 2 out there. I can't remember where I read it, maybe Billy said it.

    The cup 2s on the Ford GT aren't nearly as soft, some guys are getting 20k out of a set.
     
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    This is dead wrong, please read this entire thread: https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/th...chelin-pilot-sport-cup-2s-in-the-rain.128089/

    The base 19 cup 2 are quite different than the R cup 2 (and they carry a FP badge on them as well), and both of these are difference than the Porsche spec cup 2. ect.
     
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    Good choices. The 996 GT3 with the Mezger is the best bang for the buck P-GT car right now... and close is the 7.1 version but I’m seeing them breaching $100K (wholesale) sooner or later.

    This past spring I rented a meteor gray 997.1 Carrera S manual cab via Turo for a few days in CA.... that was such a fun car to take through Mulholland and Angeles Crest. Love the fun countryside roads there! I can only imagine if in a GT350 or a GT3.

    And I did run into one.... :)

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