800+ on 2018's- are you using opg/cs?

[engineermike]

Sure it is....That's why new GT500 has them.

I have personally seen 3 sets fail. One was my own.

You’ve seen 3 sets of 2018 opgs fail?

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[gimmie11s]

I’ve not seen any 18 mustangs fail.... yet.

 

[Reds197]

You’ve seen 3 sets of 2018 opgs fail?

Not on a 18 yet but I have seen 3 sets fail and one timing gear on 15-17. They are the same as Gen2 coyote.

I dont see it anymore because I just make it part of build. I know its a crap shoot but why risk everything over $250 part.

 

[Black Dog]

Sure it is....That's why new GT500 has them.

I have personally seen 3 sets fail. One was my own.

People don't get it until it happens to them. I had Timing chain gears as well as oil pump gears installed on both of my S550s. 2016 GT and now 2018 GT

 

[engineermike]

IF ford addressed the root cause (uncontrolled torsional vibration) on the 2018’s by installing factory viscous dampers (they did), then the upgrade would be completely unnecessary, no?

 

[sdiver68]

If this was a $250 upgrade no 1 would care. But if you are paying someone else to do it, $800-$1000 then you start to wonder. Particularly when most SC kits will sell you a warranty on the whole drivetrain for less! Add to that no reported failures on 18+ and the upgraded damper from what FRPP themselves stated was the root cause of the 15-17 issue.

I believe less than 1 in 4 will do it unless plans for enough HP to start fortifying other components.

 

[TripleB]

Not on a 18 yet but I have seen 3 sets fail and one timing gear on 15-17. They are the same as Gen2 coyote.

I dont see it anymore because I just make it part of build. I know its a crap shoot but why risk everything over $250 part.

But it’s not really a $250 part. Most can’t do it on their own as it’s conplicated and involved and the install will run you over $1000 easily

 

[engineermike]

I do believe more wrist pin failures on 2018’s have been reported on this forum than opgs.

 

[Reds197]

If new gt500 has the same damper as 18 then we will have an answer. On the 15+ coyotes they have smaller timing chains. Most of the time the crank gear cracks on the key way. If you ever hold one look how thin it is on the key way. Now understand its spinning 7800 and is only a $100 part. Why not just replace it.

Everyone watching these threads without them comes in here looking for reassurance that is safe. Spend $100 and stop coming here.....

 

[sdiver68]

Everyone watching these threads without them comes in here looking for reassurance that is safe. Spend $100 and stop coming here.....

I see your shop charges $1,321 for OPG/CS installed on S/C 18+. Help me understand the $100 comment?

 

[sigintel]

I see your shop charges $1,321 for OPG/CS installed on S/C 18+. Help me understand the $100 comment?

Lol. Its a front for selling weed. Gotsta put that online for IRS to explain cash flow.
That price gets you qp each of swag and bud.
—totally joking here...
If you just need Ford forged CS they are $30 shipped from WBL and ford dvd is $200 legit (free iso on bt).
Mustang is like adult legos.

If you dont like working on your car, just risk the stock CS and dont bounce off redline.

Or change it yourself and drive like stolen.

The fact that Ford now sells a production forged crank gear for $30 shipped says it all. Fords got little profit at that price.

 

[Reds197]

I see your shop charges $1,321 for OPG/CS installed on S/C 18+. Help me understand the $100 comment?

Its the cost of Parts simpe enough !! As others have stated you can get the sprocket for $100 or less. It breaks the most.

If you cant do it than obviously you have to pay for labor. I only charge 700 labor on 18 and 600 on earlier models. IF you are doing package pricing its less.

 

[sdiver68]

If you cant do it than obviously you have to pay for labor. I only charge 700 labor on 18 and 600 on earlier models. IF you are doing package pricing its less.

Ok thank you for clarfication!

 

[96gt4.6]

The 2018 Whipple equipped Cobra Jet comes with the upgraded Ford Racing OPG's, so in my mind, it is obviously a good idea if a factory engineered race car has the upgrade. Albeit, that is producing more HP and turning more RPM than the off the shelf Whipple kit.

Whipple/Roush both state no internal modifications necessary, however, it's my opinion that obviously it's a known issue above certain RPM and power levels, and being as Ford Racing equips their factory racer with it, that it most likely is a worth while upgrade.

Personally, I am upgrading mine during my Whipple install. Sure, not everyone has the ability to do it on their own, and I certainly agree paying adds to the cost a bit. However, I agree with what others have stated that really adding another $1k install fee onto what you have spent on the blower kit/supporting mods in the first place really isn't a huge deal. If it is, perhaps you shouldn't be modding to that level. If the OPG cost is a factor, imagine how it will play out if the in unfortunate instance the stock OPG's fail, and you're on the hook for repairing/replacing the engine.

Just my opinion, and indeed there seem to be MANY that rock the stock gears no issue, and indeed, straight from Whipple and Roush, no internal modifications necessary....although that means using their tune, no changes, stock tires (not compound/radials), nothing but a cat back allowed to validate warranty/keep it within the kit's designed limits. We all know that never lasts, best to just go ahead and upgrade the OPG's for peace of mind, and in prep for when we all go with a different tune/supporting mods that may induce failure.

 

[Rjames18]

Someone needs to hook a video camera in their engine bay to watch this damper hitting the redline, or just even a two step.

This will make most of these people baffled.

I had the upgrade done as I'd rather not risk it. I had it done even before the twins were on. At 1000 miles the front cover was off getting this done. Now I spin my motor upwards of 8600 at times

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