7th Generation Mustang (S650) Moved to 2022...

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So, are we skipping S650 and going straight to S750 as the codename for the 7th Gen Mustang?

Taken from a Q&A with a Mach E Electric Vehicle Engineer:

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...th-ford-mach-e-electric-vehicle-engineer.360/

"Q: Does this mean the Mustang is going to be a crossover from now on?

Answer:
Nope, the new generation Mustang coupe is in development, actually! Going to be a special one, too.....

......because of the Mach-E we get to keep the S750 program."
I was wondering the same??? Maybe S650 is the designation for the sheet metal refresh in 23MY and S750 is the new platform? Or he just misspoke...





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I was wondering the same??? Maybe S650 is the designation for the sheet metal refresh in 23MY and S750 is the new platform? Or he just misspoke...
As usual, this sort of thing throws up more questions than answers :computerrage:

Yeah, I guess it's possible he meant 7th Gen, rather than S750. We've seen "S650" used in Linkedin profiles previously. You could be right though.....S650 as a heavy '23MY refresh, S750 as an all new platform a few years after that. Who knows!?! :headbang:

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And just to confirm that......here's Chris Stevens ('18+ & GT500 designer) confirming he's working on S650 (jump to 3m 58secs)

 

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Yeah, but do you have to put your roof down in order to move your head? :giggle:

(I'm joking.....I do love the Camaro (and Challenger!) too :) )
 

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Guess I’m going to be saving, I want an all electric w clutch mustang like Sema

Ecoboost will be my trip taker because- fuel.

Electric will be daily
 

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There will be an electric normal Mustang also along with the Mach E I assume.
Guess I’m going to be saving, I want an all electric w clutch mustang like Sema

Ecoboost will be my trip taker because- fuel.

Electric will be daily
I would expect an E-Stang for sure, probably after the run of the GT500 is over or nearing its end. It will most likely NOT be anything like the SEMA car. Probably more like Taycan.
 

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There will be an electric normal Mustang also along with the Mach E I assume.
I think that's a safe bet......but we may have to wait a few years (and for the 7th Gen) before we get a fully electric Mustang pony car. We'll get a hybrid first (quite possibly the forthcoming Mach 1) :)
 

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To be fair, memory nothing, LOL - my memory's a cobwebby mess, I had to do some online searching, just on a vague sort of "wait, I know it's been a while, but those numbers don't quite sound right, maybe?" thought.

And, as a guy who used to say "electric is crap" and "I'd never use traction/stability control", well, I'm changing my tune. After all, in my day, 200-250 HP was about the best you could get at a reasonable price (Formula 350, Mustang 5.0, Grand National). The first time I really leaned on my 2015, I realized exactly how much progress had been made, what 435 horsepower and gobs of torque really meant, and decided "Yeah, traction/stability control is going to stay ON, thank you very much."

I was also skeptical of electric motors, but, while my Prius is interesting and quiet, hearing about how full-electrics can perform, and even a video from Jay Leno talking about how the torque is right there from a dead stop and how they're going to outdo the gasoline engine in racing, well, I stared reality in the face.

Reality stared back. And I was the one that blinked.

I love V8s - the power, and the visceral feeling from the sound. But I know electrics are going to outdo them, and simplify the car in the process. I'll miss the sound, though.

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Ford tried to design for both possibilities, though a car that can be gasoline-only, hybrid, or electric-only. After all, think of the plethora of engine options that were sometimes offered in the Mustang's early-ish days (late 60s to maybe 1971). Six-bangers to various small blocks, and a few big block options. Even later, 4cyl, turbo-4, 6-cyl and 8-cyl.

I'm pretty confident that the Mustang will keep its essence. I am SURE they won't try another misguided Probe-will-be-the-new-Mustang misstep. Multiple tiers of performance for multiple price categories. Similar to how you can go today with base model, GT, Bullitt, GT350, GT500.
I am a EE in the power field, so yes, I like electric....
But I also want RANGE. And that's something electrics can't do...yet. Could it be done? Yes. But it will also take a huge investment in infrastructure. It will also require us to be smart and may require manufacturers to make some compromises in the dimensions and standardization of battery packs.

While I don't drive often, when I do, I often drive 100 miles or more in a single trip....maybe 2-3 times a week. Not as bad as my old commute though of 180 miles each day.
Then I also drive 1000+ miles 2-3 times a year to visit family. Yes, I stop on occasion...to fuel, let the dogs out, let me empty out all the caffeine I've been consuming the past 350 or so miles. This stop takes about 15-30 minutes, which is not nearly enough time to get a full charge. I also drive in the cold, when batter efficiency is lower so the range is cut more...plus heating for the car.

Electric cars are great for places with lots of infrastructure, and low mileage trips. It's not so good for loading up the family, the dogs, and heading out on a road trip.

However, once they solve the charging issues, I will probably change my tune and get one. Until then...get me a V8

oh...and with regards to mileage on V8s....I've driven a full sized car with a TT-V8 the past 8 years (and many other N/A V8s before then). Oftentimes, the loaner cars I get are smaller sedans with turbo I4s...and the mileage I get on them is much worse on them over the same roads and same accelerations because I have to push the I4s a lot harder than the V8 for the same acceleration. To me, with real world driving, I am better off with a V8 than an I4 or I6.
 

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While I don't drive often, when I do, I often drive 100 miles or more in a single trip....maybe 2-3 times a week.
Even the base Model 3 can handle that commute... Even in the winter.

Then I also drive 1000+ miles 2-3 times a year to visit family. Yes, I stop on occasion...to fuel, let the dogs out, let me empty out all the caffeine I've been consuming the past 350 or so miles. This stop takes about 15-30 minutes, which is not nearly enough time to get a full charge. I also drive in the cold, when batter efficiency is lower so the range is cut more...plus heating for the car.
Model 3 AWD can get around 250-280 in the winter months and can take as little as 45 min to charge (250kw supercharger V3).

I agree that infrastructure needs to catch up but at least the Tesla EVs can do pretty damn close to what you are asking a car to do....
 

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I would expect an E-Stang for sure, probably after the run of the GT500 is over or nearing its end. It will most likely NOT be anything like the SEMA car. Probably more like Taycan.
I want an affordable EV sports car.... Not some damn $100k supercar like vehicle...
 

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I would expect an E-Stang for sure, probably after the run of the GT500 is over or nearing its end. It will most likely NOT be anything like the SEMA car. Probably more like Taycan.
I want an affordable EV sports car.... Not some damn $100k supercar like vehicle...
I meant that more in the vein of how it operates than how much it costs. The Taycan is arguably the first dedicated sports car (sports sedan) that is a pure EV. The manual transmission SEMA Mustang was more of a “because we can” exercise than anything pointing towards future product. The Taycan is an attempt at basically recreating the Panamera in an updated, all-electric form and not sacrificing any performance in the process. I can see an electric Mustang following that path.
 

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