5k+ UPDATE - Steeda SMcQueen Suspension (Non-Magniride) 1k Review (w/images)

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  1. Bear_Stang

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    I purchased the SMcQ back in September, but it was October before the Suspension was put on my vehicle. This review covers the entire kit as it is really designed to work as one unit. Big shout out to Rod who took the time to work with me as I made my decision and for the support he offered throughout install and whatnot. Here is what was in the kit:

    Steeda Dual Rate Ultimate Handling Springs (part of the DIFM)

    Steeda ProAction Adjustable Struts & Shocks (part of the DIFM)

    Steeda Camber Plates (part of the DIFM)

    Steeda IRS Subframe Bushing Support System (part of the ‘Stop the hop’ starter kit)

    Steeda IRS Subframe Alignment Kit (part of the ‘Stop the hop’ starter kit)

    Steeda IRS Subframe Support Brace (part of the ‘Stop the hop’ starter kit)

    Steeda Front & Rear Sway Bars With “Welded-In-Place” Solid Billet Ends

    Steeda Front & Rear Billet Aluminum Sway Bar Mounts

    Steeda Bump Steer Kit

    Steeda Billet Aluminum Vertical Links with Poly Bushing

    Steeda Ultra-Lite Chassis Jacking Rails

    Steeda Extreme G-Trac K-Member Support Brace

    Overall, there are more pros than cons. I have logged about 1k miles on the suspension so this review does include break-in / settling; I will try to update over the next few months:

    Pros:

    1. Ride quality is close to stock. The Dual Rate springs kick over a bit faster than the stock progressives, but the ride is stock on the highway. Bumpy country roads become a bit bumpy, but it is less “rage rabbit” and more “focused frog”. (those terms are coined now..)
    2. Stability is drastically improved. Acceleration at any speed is more vectored (less diffused) so very little power is lost to course corrections and whatnot. Also, turns at speed are planted, and the limited roll exhibited by the stock setup is severely reduced. You turn, car go.
    3. Ride Height is attractive, but functional. While a drop of 1” will still allow for parking in most urban environments, it is not very functional for most of Texas. Our highway roads are better than most states (COME AT ME BRO!!!), but backroads and farm to market routes can have hidden surprises. This is especially true if you live in an area that sees a lot of salt truck / chicken truck / work truck / neerdowell travel. The .5-.75” drop is a sweet spot that keeps you out a most scary situations without leaving you looking like a tonka truck.
    4. Price. Steeda discounts FTW.
    5. Looks. Steeda highlights under the chassis look amazing. Nothing looks over or under done. Attractively sturdy would be the best, visual, description.
    Cons:
    1. Front adjustable swaybar is a hot mess
      1. Parts of the swaybar (endlinks) were out of stock for close to a month
      2. Parts of the endlinks were missing upon arrival (rubber plugs)
      3. 1 endlink has went bad
        1. The way steeda warranty works, you have to purchase a new endlink and get a refund when you send the bad one back. Note - This may not be a big deal if you are home garaging your car as you can just send the faulty part back for a replacement at no cost (@steeda please confirm). As I am handing the work to more certified individuals, it is a bit of a hassle.
    2. NHV is increased from the front end
      1. There is a LOT more popping and squeaking when compared to the stock suspension. It is likely this is all related to the endlink, but we will see after it get replaced. It is my understanding that the kit is designed to keep NHV to stock levels.
    Would I purchase this kit again? Now that I know my dealer would have been fine with me throwing air suspension on this vehicle (would have only voided the suspension portion of my warranty). I am 85/15. For the price I would have paid for an installed 3H kit, I was able to purchase and install a complete suspension kit (With multiple frame stiffening components). While I do think the air suspension would have offered more adjustability and ride comfort, all of the items on this kit are warranted for life (even if I have to use the deposit system to make it work). The 3H only offers lifetime warranty for the controller and tank; tubing, shocks, and struts have a 1 year warranty (@Airlift please confirm).


    Would I suggest this kit to a friend? ATM, I am 70/30 based on my 1st month experience.


    What is the current rank of this system? ATM, I am looking at 4 stars (I reserve the right to update this after the replacement endlink is installed and another 1k miles are put on the vehicle):

    +1 star for looks

    +1 star for stability

    +1 star for price

    +1 star for ride height

    +1 star for ride quality

    -1 star for endlink insanity

    -.5 star for NVH

    +.5 star for freebie clutch spring assembly

     
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    you need to fix your media permissions.
     
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    Done. Everything should be viewable now.
     
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    *Update*
    I planned on waiting until 1k miles post endlink replacement, but some issues I ran into today call for an update.

    So, the replacement part for the "lifetime warranty" endlink was "out of stock". I am just recieving this news today. Quick recap:

    1. I order the SMcQ suspension early sept.
    2. I had to wait about a month to install the SMcQ suspension because the endlinks were backordered in Sept.
    3. SMcQ suspension was installed mid oct by a certified ford suspension tech.
    4. Less than a month later an endlink went bad
    5. To replace this warrantied part, I had to pay for the replacement. I should be reimbursed when steeda receives the faulty part.
    6. I ordered the replacement part over the phone on monday, and was informed it would be shipping out tuesday via 2 day shipping.
    7. Today (Friday), I was informed that the part never left the warehouse because they did not have any to send, but (magically) they were able to find one today and it will he shipping out soon to arrive on wed.
    @Steeda no matter how good your suspension is, it does not matter if your logistics / build quality can not keep up. While the car is still drivable, it is insane to think your flagship mustang suspension would be this much trouble. This modifies scores (see below).

    Would I order this again - 50/50
    Would I suggest this to a friend - 30/70
    What is the current rank of this system - 3*
    +1 star for looks

    +1 star for stability
    +1 star for price
    +1 star for ride height
    +1 star for ride quality
    -2 star for endlink insanity
    -.5 star for NVH
    +.5 star for freebie clutch spring assembly
     
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    Good info here. Thanks for the write up. If you went with the air suspension would you have still opted for the frame stiffening parts?
     
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    @Staynumz thank you

    I figured I needed to update this to reflect that the suspension issue was fixed with the new part (and a bit of extra elbow grease).
    The confidence to DRIVE the car is back now that the pop/pinging is gone. I made sure to put some miles on the suspension this weekend and made good use of the Lousiana highway system for suspension testing :headbang:. The suspension held up throughout the holiday weekend, and at this point the only tweaking I will do is increase the hardness a bit (quarter turn) and, maybe, move the swaybar to the tighter setting. The ride will get a bit bumpier, but I can live with that.

    That being said, the score is only increasing a bit as I have yet to get an RMA UPS label for the faulty part. I understand that Steeda has Black Friday / Cyber Monday rush atm, but the representative and I have have been requesting the label since last week. I cannot, at this time, remove the endlink blemish from the review.

    Would I order this again - 60/40
    Would I suggest this to a friend - 40/60
    What is the current rank of this system - 3.5*
    +1 star for looks

    +1 star for stability
    +1 star for price
    +1 star for ride height
    +1 star for ride quality (please read the details about this if you are looking for a more "cushy" ride)
    -2 star for endlink insanity
    +.5 star for freebie clutch spring assembly
     
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    They say that time heals all wounds... I guess that saying is also kinda true for suspension impressions :computerrage:. After logging over 5k miles on this setup, I have really started to appreciate the drastic improvements, and accept some quirks that come with improved suspension setup. Most of this discovery comes from me really starting to drive Sig as it was intended :captain:. I now shift later during spirited driving and the bullitt makes... well... FRIGGING MUSIC!!!:captain:

    What do I mean by drastic improvements:
    1. Turns are nonsensical at this point. I realize that my understanding is limited compared to our track focused members, but... this is nonsense for a 4k lbs car.
    2. Even at a "theoretical" 4k LC :bandit:, wheel spin is about .5-.75 sec (given favorable temps on unprepared surface). Those "theoretical" spins do not meander much either.
    3. The car remains stable during "spirited" acceleration.
    What do I mean by quirks:
    1. The suspension is rough on passengers. If you love your loved ones more than you love driving your beloved, you might want something else.
    2. Wind dynamics are a bit different and you might want to get a light spoiler or ducktail
    3. Tramlining is a reality. Accept it, adjust for it, and keep an eye out for BTR (Black Top Railways)
    4. Narrow inclines should be approached straight if the grade is towards the top end of acceptable. If you try to go in/out at an angle, your VERY STIFF car will lift one rear tire up like a dog at a hydrant.
    Overall, the system is not designed to increase your daily drivability as much as it is designed to enhance your spirited driving experience; you trade comfort for confidence. I chose this over some other options based on completeness of kit, price, and modest lowering (Texas highways are amazing, our country roads are less forgiving). I will eventually graduate to dynamic suspension of some sort, but even then, the frame stiffening components will remain.

    Would I order this again - 80/20
    Would I suggest this to a friend - 60/40
    What is the current rank of this system - 4.0*
    +1 star for looks
    +1 star for stability
    +1 star for price
    +1 star for ride height
    +.5 star for ride quality (please read the details about this if you are looking for a more "cushy" ride)
    -1.0 star for endlink insanity
    +.5 star for freebie clutch spring assembly
     
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    Is there still a LOT more popping and squeaking going on in the front?
     
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