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..and she has a new engine, steering column, and oil cooler. My month long ordeal has finally come to an end and I get to pick her up today.

What happened:
The dealer found chunks of metal in my oil filter after I brought it to them for constant sputtering after the oil would reach 150 in temp. They were advised by ford to remove the oil pan to see if there were chunks of metal there as well. Of course, there were. They ended up ordering the new engine, it took a week or two to arrive, and another week to install. Once installed, they found that the steering column was binding so they had that replaced too. Finally, before test driving they decided to change out the oil cooler as well since it likely was affected by the metal in the oil as well.

How Much:
The warranty covered everything thankfully and my dealer was so sympathetic for my issues they offered to install my MGW shifter for free. They're great dudes, obviously. At the end of it all, the install and parts were just under $30,000 and needless to say, Ford used that as reason to not buy back my car. (I reached out to them because of all the issues and their decision was to replace the engine and have me keep her, which is fine until there's another issue)

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I noticed little things with how the car was responding to inputs or acting in normal driving. There were slight flutters in response when I pushed on the gas generously. After highway driving the sputtering/ticking from the engine was much worse than the normal "valvetrain tick". It just didn't seem right. So my advice is, no matter how small of an issue, BRING IT IN TO GET CHECKED OUT. These engines are low-production, so the possibility for issues is greater than say, the S550 5.0 engines. When you do bring it in, expect that the dealer will likely have not experienced the issue you're having, because like I said, its a low production engine. Keep pressing them to figure it out, make sure they're reaching out to the Ford hotline, and if all else fails call Ford customer service to get some help in resolving the issue.

We spend a lot on these vehicles and care about them just as much, but at the end of the day they're bound to have issues at some point. Do your research and be persistent, you're chances at a resolution are greater when your effort put forth is greater.
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Thanks for the info and good luck w 'er from here on in [MENTION=27185]Relak[/MENTION]. Got to think if it was $30,001, would they have bought her back? :lol:

Appreciate the advise on how this went wrong for you..Yet another thing to be aware of.
 

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Know what, as frustrated as I would be about this whole ordeal, I would have to relish in the fact that I had a good dealership experience. Also, I hope they replaced the oil cooler BEFORE they test fired the engine. I assume they did, but you didn't describe it that way.

My first Ford was a Fiesta. Ford needed to replace the transmission at 33K. Of course dealerships were instructed to do a software reflash first (which is just a sign Ford is aware of a trend). The only time a software reflash works is if the logic is telling the car to shift at the wrong time, not if the transmission is fluctuating between gears. My Toyota needed a logic re-program because it'd allow the car to lug the engine in an attempt to be super MPG oriented... that made sense. Anyway, next the dealer rebuilt it and rebuilt it wrong - driving away, there was this constant grinding noise they said was the transmission "breaking in". BS. Drove it right back, they said they'd do nothing. Took it to another dealer, they found that the transmission was rebuilt AND installed improperly (the connection of the trans to the engine was damaged) and replaced the transmission. I didn't have the car for 3 months and not once was I offered a loaner, even when warranty work was underway. I missed a solid 20 hours of work dealing with this and thankfully, at the time, I had a client that didn't treat me (a consultant) like I was a minion and understood I would make up for it at home. Had I had the client I most recently had, I would have been fired because they want butts in a seat 8 hours a day (I could never work for that leader as an employee as a result). I'm grateful I had another car, but it was a truck that got 15 MPG average to and from work compared to the Fiesta's 34 mpg. I told myself I'd never buy another Ford again... alas... Mustang.

Hope nothing else happens. I understand parts wearing and engines failing after 100K+ miles. I don't understand, in this day in age with today's manufacturing tolerances, engines breaking down in such a way so soon. Or transmissions. It's unfortunate.
 
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Know what, as frustrated as I would be about this whole ordeal, I would have to relish in the fact that I had a good dealership experience. Also, I hope they replaced the oil cooler BEFORE they test fired the engine. I assume they did, but you didn't describe it that way.

My first Ford was a Fiesta. Ford needed to replace the transmission at 33K. Of course dealerships were instructed to do a software reflash first (which is just a sign Ford is aware of a trend). The only time a software reflash works is if the logic is telling the car to shift at the wrong time, not if the transmission is fluctuating between gears. My Toyota needed a logic re-program because it'd allow the car to lug the engine in an attempt to be super MPG oriented... that made sense. Anyway, next the dealer rebuilt it and rebuilt it wrong - driving away, there was this constant grinding noise they said was the transmission "breaking in". BS. Drove it right back, they said they'd do nothing. Took it to another dealer, they found that the transmission was rebuilt AND installed improperly (the connection of the trans to the engine was damaged) and replaced the transmission. I didn't have the car for 3 months and not once was I offered a loaner, even when warranty work was underway. I missed a solid 20 hours of work dealing with this and thankfully, at the time, I had a client that didn't treat me (a consultant) like I was a minion and understood I would make up for it at home. Had I had the client I most recently had, I would have been fired because they want butts in a seat 8 hours a day (I could never work for that leader as an employee as a result). I'm grateful I had another car, but it was a truck that got 15 MPG average to and from work compared to the Fiesta's 34 mpg. I told myself I'd never buy another Ford again... alas... Mustang.

Hope nothing else happens. I understand parts wearing and engines failing after 100K+ miles. I don't understand, in this day in age with today's manufacturing tolerances, engines breaking down in such a way so soon. Or transmissions. It's unfortunate.
It was actually just as I described it... so I'm hoping too, as you stated, they didn't fire up the engine before the oil cooler replacement either. We'll find out at the first oil change, I guess.
 

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Sorry to hear about your issues. Which dealer did you use? I'm in the DMV area as well and need to get my recall done so a vote of confidence in the service dept would be great.
 

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Sorry to hear about your issues. Which dealer did you use? I'm in the DMV area as well and need to get my recall done so a vote of confidence in the service dept would be great.
Koons Ford Silver Spring; which surprisingly is not a part of the Koons franchise. The owner is apparently married into the Koons family and purchased the dealership from the Franchise last year. They do match Koons offerings and have been nothing but outstanding in both their Sales and Service Departments.
 

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Thanks for the write up and the DMV area reference. Now I know where to go next. The other networked Koons have been disappointing. Goo to see a positive outcome from a bad situation.
 

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@Relak , You would have never been offered a buy back! LOL you have to build a pretty strong case for that to happen. Your case is not out of the ordinary requiring an engine replacement. However! If you have to have another engine replaced in the future!!! That will probably seal the deal, been there. Food for thought! Hope you have no more problems and have many miles of trouble free miles.
 

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..and she has a new engine, steering column, and oil cooler. My month long ordeal has finally come to an end and I get to pick her up today.

What happened:
The dealer found chunks of metal in my oil filter after I brought it to them for constant sputtering after the oil would reach 150 in temp. They were advised by ford to remove the oil pan to see if there were chunks of metal there as well. Of course, there were. They ended up ordering the new engine, it took a week or two to arrive, and another week to install. Once installed, they found that the steering column was binding so they had that replaced too. Finally, before test driving they decided to change out the oil cooler as well since it likely was affected by the metal in the oil as well.

How Much:
The warranty covered everything thankfully and my dealer was so sympathetic for my issues they offered to install my MGW shifter for free. They're great dudes, obviously. At the end of it all, the install and parts were just under $30,000 and needless to say, Ford used that as reason to not buy back my car. (I reached out to them because of all the issues and their decision was to replace the engine and have me keep her, which is fine until there's another issue)

Advice:
I noticed little things with how the car was responding to inputs or acting in normal driving. There were slight flutters in response when I pushed on the gas generously. After highway driving the sputtering/ticking from the engine was much worse than the normal "valvetrain tick". It just didn't seem right. So my advice is, no matter how small of an issue, BRING IT IN TO GET CHECKED OUT. These engines are low-production, so the possibility for issues is greater than say, the S550 5.0 engines. When you do bring it in, expect that the dealer will likely have not experienced the issue you're having, because like I said, its a low production engine. Keep pressing them to figure it out, make sure they're reaching out to the Ford hotline, and if all else fails call Ford customer service to get some help in resolving the issue.

We spend a lot on these vehicles and care about them just as much, but at the end of the day they're bound to have issues at some point. Do your research and be persistent, you're chances at a resolution are greater when your effort put forth is greater.
Sorry about your ordeal. That blows.

Not only is it a low production engine, they haven't been in service but for about 2 years now ('16/'17).

How many years does Ford have in the 5.0 market ? ..... many, many years. Less complicated engine down to a science.

The GT350 is a great idea. I hope the vibration prone FPC works in the long run.
 

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@Relak , You would have never been offered a buy back! LOL you have to build a pretty strong case for that to happen. Your case is not out of the ordinary requiring an engine replacement. However! If you have to have another engine replaced in the future!!! That will probably seal the deal, been there. Food for thought! Hope you have no more problems and have many miles of trouble free miles.
Seems like maybe you've got to have a video floating around the internets .... of flames pouring out of your car. Or some such sh%t. :frusty::rant:
 

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Steering column... there's gotta be more to that story. Did they screw something up when they installed the new engine that caused irreparable damage? Because although they are in the same general area, they don't really have anything to do with each other.
 
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@Relak , You would have never been offered a buy back! LOL you have to build a pretty strong case for that to happen. Your case is not out of the ordinary requiring an engine replacement. However! If you have to have another engine replaced in the future!!! That will probably seal the deal, been there. Food for thought! Hope you have no more problems and have many miles of trouble free miles.
Ya I know what you're saying but the engine isn't the only issue I've had with this car since I purchased it. There have been a plethora of on-going issues; some fixed, some which can't be "fixed". I'm happy now though that I got it back. Drove it to work today and with the MGW shifter installed and a brand new engine, I was smiling the whole way. It also helps that I found a new classic rock Spotify playlist that is pretty epic.

As for the steering column issue, who knows. They could have damaged it trying to take the engine out and not removing all the connections, or maybe the old engine sucked that much that it passed it's suckiness to the steering column. I didn't ask what the circumstances were behind that issue, but if it was a dealer mistake I know they would have informed me. They've had some hiccups with other stuff and were straight forward on those issues in the past. No reason to doubt them now. If there's any reason I'm sticking with Ford, its them.
 

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Curious. How many miles on the ODO when the engine took a dump?
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