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Right. Up here in Canada we are paying Carbon tax, and our pathetic gubment is selling our carbon credits to China & India so they can continue to pollute. Here, we can turn off all emissions tomorrow in Canada & it would make zero difference cause we are pretty close to being carbon neutral for a while now.
You're forgetting the globalist agenda that moved all manufacturing, and thus most emissions, to third world countries to make stuff for less. Stuff that we consume in massive amounts. As I said, China's pollution doesn't just exist in a vacuum, we directly contribute to it with our habits.
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You're forgetting the globalist agenda that moved all manufacturing, and thus most emissions, to third world countries to make stuff for less. Stuff that we consume in massive amounts. As I said, China's pollution doesn't just exist in a vacuum, we directly contribute to it with our habits.
You can stop living and die or you can keep living and die. The outcome has already been determined.
 

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there isn't a single one actually. That isn't rife with fraud.
So you can't answer my question.


The picture below is obviously from fake news cnn but the point is still valid.
The loudest voices on climate change seem to be so wrong, so often. You don’t have to look back too far to read about the horrors of the coming climate cooling that was coming. Then it became global warming. Now it’s just climate change and every time there’s a hot day or a snowflake that falls it’s “evidence” of why. And there never seems to be any consequences for being wrong. I am all on board with caring for the planet and life that exists on it. But it has to be done within reason. Just picking arbitrary dates to turn off the use off fossil fuels is not realistic. Screaming that we have 10 years or else is not helpful as our heavy chested, light brained congresswoman from New York likes to do. As I’ve said before, you (not you personally) can’t tell me to make life changing sacrifices to my way of life if you are jetting to Europe for climate conferences. Why didn’t they all carpool on one jet? Or do zoom? Seemed to work for the rest of us the last 18 months during the pandemic. Another subject by the way that all of the science experts were often wrong about, and still continuously show their asses on a daily basis. Don’t tell me the sea levels are rising and we won’t have a coast! But then publish glowing stories about the beach front property that obama purchased in the hamptons. Maybe he’s only planning to stay there for 10 years before the climate erupts?
why are all of the science experts and political hacks so against nuclear? At the very least I don’t hear them supporting it. Awfully hard to not think there is an agenda at play…….that has nothing to do with the climate.

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I agree that some of the doom and gloom predictions are a little excessive coming from the media, but again, there are scientific publications, not media publications, reviewed by highly educated peers that paint a not-so-great picture calling us to immediate action. I know of very little to the contrary. No one can be certain exactly when the worst will come, but it's pretty clear that we are already seeing consequences of increased carbon in the atmosphere, and that change is necessary.

I also completely agree that nuclear power needs to be an immediate part of our plan for cleaner energy, and it is incredibly hypocritical when people berate emissions while discouraging nuclear power... We need to try to change public perception of nuclear ASAP.

As for wasteful elites, they're on both sides of the aisle, and both are convinced that they're doing what they need to do to spread the good word... Not sure what to do about that.

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but it's pretty clear that we are already seeing consequences of increased carbon in the atmosphere, and that change is necessary.
all predicated on the nonsense and indefensible position that the increased carbon is in any way a problem. The ENTIRE premise is conjecture with no basis in fact, observation or experiment. Co2 is not bad and life was vastly more vibrant when the levels were FAR, FAR higher than today.

When you start the 'research' based on the predicate "CO2 is bad" it's not surprising you only find data to support your thesis. The question that should be asked is "is C02 bad, and if so at what levels and WHY".

The climate change scam has been going on for 50+ years. They've been WRONG, and not just a little WRONG on EVERY point! When the FRAUD is no longer tenable they say, "oh we meant something else" and beat the drums anew.

"peer review" papers is a colossal FRAUD and has been proven dozens and dozens of times. Appeals to authority (aka peer review by 'experts') is a pathetic and long discredited means of trying to make a point.

IF the data was sound and IF the methodology wasn't laughable, and IF the premise and conclusions were unassailable, you THEN can start to make a case for "doing something". To date it has failed ALL of the prerequisites. And no, the people who poke just massive holes in these papers are not all paid of Exxon.
 

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Let's not beat around the bush. Do you have an example of a peer-reviewed scientific publication that refutes man-made climate change? One that you consider honest and valid?

Because... there are quite a few that confirm the phenomenon.
i hate going down this hole since this is a forum for the great mustang but can you, or anyone for that matter, explain how one would go about testing, using the scientific method, the earth's climate? i always see the term climate science bandied about but in reality there is no such thing as climate science since at the most basic level we have no ability to control the variables we introduce to create experiments to disprove any hypothesis.
at best we can look back and analyze samples of what the climate may have been but the earth is 4.5 billion years old. if you took a football field and said that represented 4.5 billion years the samples would may be a square inch of that entire field. that is not enough data to support any trend or change in a rate. just laying this out there.
 

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I agree that some of the doom and gloom predictions are a little excessive coming from the media, but again, there are scientific publications, not media publications, reviewed by highly educated peers that paint a not-so-great picture calling us to immediate action. I know of very little to the contrary. No one can be certain exactly when the worst will come, but it's pretty clear that we are already seeing consequences of increased carbon in the atmosphere, and that change is necessary.
i think they are more than a little excessive :wink: when you have supposedly serious people saying things with absolute certainty such as "10 years or else....." you can pretty much dismiss everything they are saying about the subject. as @shogun32 mentioned, just because something is credited with being a scientific publication does not carry the weight it once did. unfortunately science has been corrupted in the name of self interests amongst other things. i should clarify, the representation of the science has been corrupted. i agree with you that there was a time when one could reasonably point to a peer reviewed journal and feel pretty confident in its conclusions. now? everything has been poisoned. if you haven't read about this, you should look up james lindsay and the grievance studies project he worked on with a few other authors. of course the fake news media tried to dismiss it but what they found is not only hilarious but should be frightening as well. i don't see how we can observe so many doom and gloom predictions not play out only for the goalposts to move........how the "scientists" can be so wrong STILL about this whole covid mess.........and then see something as absurd as these fake papers that got published, and still toss up "peer reviewed journals" as some kind of ace in the hole. not saying thats what you are doing but my point is that we can no longer point to that as concrete evidence like we used to.

I also completely agree that nuclear power needs to be an immediate part of our plan for cleaner energy, and it is incredibly hypocritical when people berate emissions while discouraging nuclear power... We need to try to change public perception of nuclear ASAP.
you won't be able to unfortunately. people are not that bright. and because we elect incredibly stupid, corrupt scumbags to powerful positions this will never change. california just reelected a governor that can't literally keep the lights on, all while shutting down nuclear power for the state. he's sympathetic to which pronouns his constituents prefer though so maybe that will keep the everyone in the state warm this winter?

As for wasteful elites, they're on both sides of the aisle, and both are convinced that they're doing what they need to do to spread the good word... Not sure what to do about that.
i'm absolutely sure what to do about it, but posting it would probably get me banned and labeled an insurrectionist. although it doesn't take much these days to catch that label.
you are correct that both sides of elites are wasteful and i would go one step beyond that and say they are wasting our oxygen as well. with respect to the issue of the climate however, only one side is convinced they are spreading the good word. the blame for stupid proposals like the green new deal that impact our lives and economy cant be blamed equally on them all.
 

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The climate change scam has been going on for 50+ years. They've been WRONG, and not just a little WRONG on EVERY point! When the FRAUD is no longer tenable they say, "oh we meant something else" and beat the drums anew.
Yes, and some of us are old enough to remember the climate cooling scare of the seventies.
 

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Dang, I knew my last post about this wouldn't get read by anyone because it was too long.
Climate change is the least of my worries. Socialism, communism, world domination by China, and loss of freedom and civil rights, now that causes me real concern.
China getting a pass on the environment? They're the fastest growing economy, with the fastest growing military, and the biggest polluter in the world.
 

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It’s sad that a perfectly good and interesting thread got hijacked and morphed into a ridiculous discussion in which neither side can possibly conclusively prove its point. Just a bunch of folks trying to appear scholarly by regurgitating voodoo science that happens to fall on their side.

Oh well, welcome to the internet!
 

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It’s sad that a perfectly good and interesting thread got hijacked and morphed into a ridiculous discussion in which neither side can possibly conclusively prove its point. Just a bunch of folks trying to appear scholarly by regurgitating voodoo science that happens to fall on their side.

Oh well, welcome to the internet!
..and it's a moot point for a ICE car enthusiast because no matter how much we may not accept it, electric cars and the death of gas are imminent. The 2023 Mustang will be hybrid. The Camaro will go away. The Challenger & Charger will go electric in 2024/2025. The Corvette C8 will offer a hybrid or full electric model (the architecture is already there).

The momentum is too strong, the incentives for car manufacturers, and the demand from the public who is more impressed by technology (Tesla iPad) than nostalgia. The 9s 1/4 mile times put down by the Plaid S are just the start. The current gas prices are the nail in the coffin.

I purchased my '21 5.0L to relive some fun times and good memories from my late teens cruising around in my notchback LX 5.0L. I know it's probably the last gas powered vehicle I'll own.

My fear right now is that I hope I can still put gas in it 5 years from now -- without surpassing a car payment.
 

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It’s sad that a perfectly good and interesting thread got hijacked and morphed into a ridiculous discussion in which neither side can possibly conclusively prove its point. Just a bunch of folks trying to appear scholarly by regurgitating voodoo science that happens to fall on their side.

Oh well, welcome to the internet!
There is wisdom in your words, young at heart.
I bet if a special thread was created just to discuss the topic of "climate change real or fake", no one would go there, but it would still popup in other threads. That's just how people are.
 

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Well, the sudden stoppage of gas fueled vehicles will put millions out of work. Oil companies have a lot of money and power and I am sure that they have their hands in the electric side of things too - if not, none of us would be having this discussion.
 

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The momentum is too strong, the incentives for car manufacturers, and the demand from the public who is more impressed by technology (Tesla iPad) than nostalgia
I look forward to our EV future. Gasoline will be so cheap it'll probably be 10 cents a gallon. Why? you can't crack for diesel and not end up with gasoline and the lighter compounds. The refiners have to do something with the gasoline and they won't be allowed to flare it so maybe they'll pay me to burn it in my "irresponsible" ICE.
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