2023 GT Premium - My Twin Turbo Build

[TonyNJ]

900 hp? Happy Mustang Day for sure.

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[Joshinator99]

Saw this thread and thought of you, @AcceptableNebula
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/10r80-upgrades-how-are-they-holding-up.197096/#post-3949669

 

[AcceptableNebula]

Saw this thread and thought of you, @AcceptableNebula
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/10r80-upgrades-how-are-they-holding-up.197096/#post-3949669

The Torque Converter actually gave us a scare on that pull, you can see the dip.

 

[Joshinator99]

The Torque Converter actually gave us a scare on that pull, you can see the dip.

I guess between the two of us there’s about 2400 crank HP… we can take bets to see whose stock transmission makes it through the entire summer lmao…

 

[AcceptableNebula]

With the arrival of the Pierburg CWA400 electric water pump, I was able to start getting some of the new cooling setup going. While I'm not 100% sure I love this controller. It looks very simple, but packs a lot of programming features. Unfortunately, you program it like a gym locker combination lock. The factory programming seems to be exactly what I need without any changes. The dial sets the mode and temperature. Also allows you to crank the pump to 100% in a test mode.

The electric water pump setup will help me clear room for the dual charge pipes, and also help with cooling the motor down. Changing the pump differential location will allow me to send the coldest coolant to the turbos and return that coolant directly back to the radiator, instead of sending it mixed back to the motor. The ultimate goal is to be able to plug the Mustang into my dual alternator F350 in between runs and run the fans and water pump with the engine off.

The little yellow square controller isn't gonna fly though. There's no need to see that information unless you want to know it. The car coolant temp will be the first indicator I would look at. So I decided to hide the controller out of sight. I removed the top layer of the controller case to facilitate integrating it into a car panel. Unfortunately, there are very few flat sections of visible panel in the Mustang. I literally assumed I'd have my choice of locations. The best I could come up with is in the top of the A pillar. Something I can see but won't be in the direct line of sight. I machined a little aluminum escutcheon for the drilled hole for the multifunction dial. The LEDs are 4mm apart so I put the 0.050" holes in to align with the LED. This plastic does not cut cleanly with end mills or drill bits. I secured the case to the A pillar cover with a urethane plastic cement. More to come as I start installing the harness.

 

[AcceptableNebula]

Got to take the car to the track for some low boost shakedown passes. After shaking the rust off, it was good to finally not get rained out and get some runs in. Best run of the night at 9psi was 10.5@137 mph with a horrible 60' of 1.86. Car was short shifting at 6800 rpm. After diving thru the logs, even though I had the traction control off, the stability was keeping the shift table in Traction Control. The tune is now fixed so that can't happen again. Next time I will just pull the fun plug to make sure.



After getting a few transmission wrenches on the dyno, the line pressure is just about maxed out. Since I am still working out all the kinks, I'm praying the 10r80 will hold on for the rest of the year. Since we can get snow anytime in September/October that isn't a long time. I decided to get all the stuff in preparation for winter projects. I got the Suncoast Stage 2 rebuild kit, Suncoast SFI flexplate, and the Anodized shell from Ford. Having a 23 I possibly could have that shell but I don't know for sure.

 

[Johnny Rockit]

I am heading to Lebanon Valley Laborday weekend I hope. If the weather holds out. Your car is pretty slick.

 

[AcceptableNebula]

Well we went to Lebanon Valley Dragway on Friday the 13th. After turning the power up, it seems the transmission was not impressed. Even reducing the torque management kept me at a best ignition timing of 9 degrees, when I'm supposed to be at 18. The nights best performance was a 10.8 @ 134 mph. At least we got a few good pictures from the evening.

 

[AcceptableNebula]

Well with winter underway, it's time to button up some of these projects I've been meaning to get done.

Last year I bought the RMS R8 roll bar and shot it in urethane Rapid Red. I wasn't overly excited to add 52 lbs to the car so I held off installing it until I was going fast enough to feel like I could use a little extra safety.

While the general consensus is that the center beam is hardened in the Mustang, that didn't make a lot of sense. Starting off with fresh drill bits helps immensely, however, I did find the sections people are struggling with. These sections are work hardened during assembly. Two of the holes cut easily, however, the other two were difficult because the hardening is not complete in the section. Even carbide drills were chipping from the constant change from hard and soft sections. I found starting small and working up to a size large enough to use a carbide burr on. That makes short work of the hardened sections.

I also hate the bolt designs these kits come with. Both RPM and RMS bars Ive had in various cars end up with this. Crooked holes on angles make the bolts stress on the edge of the head. So I measured the angle and machined some angled washers to help with the fit.

 

[AcceptableNebula]

Another project that was put on the back burner was the GT350 front suspension. While I had plans to make a setup that would allow me to run the 30 lb, 15.5", GT350 front rotors and then run the Girodisc PP, 23 lb, 15" rotor. That required making custom offset hats as the PP and GT350 rotors are about 7mm off from each other.

So I setup both rotors on the surface plate so I could get some legitimate measurements and design a custom hat. In the middle of that, I had a thought. This is a lot of work for 7lbs per side, and changing rotors back and forth didn't seem like a lot of fun. Plus, even just washing the car starts the inevitable rotor rust. So I looked into Carbon Ceramic rotors. I was shocked to learn no Mustang came with them. Some rotor kits are available for the GT350 to the tune of $13k.

So I decided to make my own setup. After doing a lot of checking car brake sizes that are equipped with carbon ceramic rotors, I found 2 cars to that fit my plan.

After extensive measuring, and borrowing *cough cough* some design inspiration from one of the existing kits on the market, I designed my own hat. The offset is almost double from the McLaren brake rotor hat, so I thought having a chamfer design was definitely the best out there.

I machined a double slug out of 7075 T6 aluminum. Both insides and the center bores done in one piece. 7075 T6 is slightly less rigid than 6061, but nearly double the tensile strength. Plus 7075 also flexes slightly more before fracturing. One split I could machine the outer faces, then put in the bolt pattern and clip pockets/slots. Sounds easy in a sentence but there is a ton of setup to insure runout does not exceed 0.0005" on the tip.

The test fit was a success so I will disassemble and Cerakote the hats in Titanium color to stick with the Rapid Red/Dark Gray color theme.

The weight savings per front rotor is over 14 lbs. The rear set will be around 11 lbs per rotor in savings, but I haven't made those hats yet.

 

[AcceptableNebula]

I finished one of the rear hats thanks to MLK's day off from work. I ended up pivoting the design. I like the diagonal supports but only 1 low production person does the hats that way. Meanwhile Brembo and RacingBrake do not do it. Kinda feel like I should just do what the big players do.

I removed the diagonal support and stepped it down. There are good sized radius transitions to avoid any potential stress risers. I also added 5 8mmx1.25 holes in the event the hat ever got stuck to the hub. Can't exactly hit the rotor with a hammer...

Also added air vents to the front rotor design. They were on the front Brembo hats but not on the rear, so I left them out of the rear hats.

The rear hat on the right is about half an inch larger in diameter. I can't test fit it til tomorrow when my Dark Horse rear knuckles get delivered. I am converting the rear of my 23 to the 24 Brembo setup. The brake rotors are 14" instead of GT350 15" and avoids the 12mm wheel offset gain you get from the GT350 ebrake in the drum. I will just have to adapt a small ebrake cable caliper to the knuckle using the already provided mounting points. The 24DH has an electric caliper, so I have no interest in that. I would like to be able to pull the handle in the event I ever have a hydraulic brake failure.

There is a weight savings in the rear caliper changed even after adding a second caliper. However, the substantial weight savings comes from the rotor change.

I haven't weighed them assembled with the new hats yet, but that's coming soon.

 

[AcceptableNebula]

Well my knuckles arrived. I assembled one of the rear rotors with a couple fasteners to double check everything. The caliper spacing was going to be an issue as these carbon ceramic rings are 5mm larger in diameter than the Dark Horse rear rotor. I did have to put a 0.100" washer on the caliper mount to pad it out to test fit. I need to check the clearance to the iron rotor first and get better measurements before setting that final amount of spacing. These rear calipers are also radial mount like the GT350 front calipers are, so spacing it out is easy. I will make a semi-permanent spacer and attach it to the knuckle. It technically clears but Brembo recommends 3mm of clearance iirc.

These calipers will get shot in Rapid Red like I did to the front calipers. I also have to find a parking brake caliper that will work. I'm hoping I don't need to add making calipers to my to-do list.

 

[AcceptableNebula]

Well I haven’t updated this in a couple months so I’ll try to recap the progress so far.

The rotor hats are complete and installed on the rings. I ended up Cerakoting them in a Titanium color. That just required texturing them with 80 grit Aluminum Oxide and then cleaning them in Acetone.

The coating is very resilient to chemicals and abrasion so it should stand up well.

 

[AcceptableNebula]

Since I had the car apart anyway, I decided that I was very happy with the AAD Toe Links so far, that I would just order the rest of the parts he offers. Parker is very responsive and has returned emails on Sundays multiple times.

The arms save a little weight over the aluminum BMR stuff, and I am impressed with the Spheriflex bearings. The 24 models use a GT500 tie link so that saves even more weight. I have enough spherical bearings in the car that make noise, so getting some of them quiet is a win in my book. Plus any gram I can pull out of the car keeps my addiction satisfied. More importantly, any product that successfully survives launching heavy Hellcats down the strip has to be engineered well.

The install went great, but because my car is kind of a mutt now with 24 knuckles and a 23 LCA, and also lowered, I had a bit of stress on the upper Camber Link to tie it to the knuckle. Even articulated to above ride position, there was a bit if an angle still. I contacted Parker on a Sunday and he helped out with measurements and angles so I could replicate his piece, I just added about 0.550" to the mount. He was willing to make it and send it out for free, but I didn't feel that me mixing generations of parts together was his problem to fix.

One side has the angle and it just press fits over the Spheriflex bearing stub.

I also decided to ditch all the factory bolts. That required a new capture washer for the upper arm, not that it is really even needed with the AAD design. It's likely just an excuse to make another titanium part.

I was able to find 90% of the bolts thru Belmetric in 12.9. Just going to spend a little time painting the heads after to avoid the inevitable rust that black oxide coated bolts get even from washing the car.

 

[WD Pro]

I’m interested in the comment on the 24 and the short vertical links (from your picture) - any pics of those fitted ?

Might not be your cup of tea, but I put silicon caps on my 12.9’s (after coating them with waxoyl :

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