2021 Mach 1 Pricing Announced and Order Bank Opens

[Buckwampum]

Man, those Shelby owners are gonna be pissed! They've been swept away into the dustbin of history and it's not even 2021 yet. Also, I guess this means the GT500 is chopped liver and not the "most track ready" car in the inventory... Somehow I think there's a stern talking-to coming and a hat-in-hand, sheepish apology.

Well, the correct statement is:
2021 Mustang Mach 1

The all-new Mustang Mach 1* becomes the most track-capable 5.0-liter Mustang ever, courtesy of a newly designed front end, plus Ford Performance parts from Mustang Shelby GT350® and Shelby GT500® models and an available Handling Package for greater at-limit handling.
Packing a specially calibrated 5.0-liter V8 engine that produces 480 horsepower at 7,000 rpm and 420 lb.-ft. of torque at 4,600 rpm, Mach 1 is a fitting celebration of a nameplate born more than 50 years ago.

Source:
https://www.ford.com/future-vehicles/#mach1

So now we can stop all the hysteria around what Ford's strategy is.

With the PP2 and Bullitt discontinued, the Mach-1 is the mashup of the Bullitt's 5.0 powerplant and the PP2's handling bits, with a smattering of leftover GT350 parts thrown in and a few pixie dust parts from the GT500, to get some halo effect.

It's interesting that the Mach 1 gets the GT350's trans but not its clutch. I guess the power isn't too drastic over the regular 5.0, so the GT clutch is adequate.

I don't think anyone sees the Mach 1 as a replacement for the GT350. The GT500 replaced the GT350. The Mach 1 replaces the Bullitt and PP2.

It streamlines Ford's product offerings and gives some status to the buyer's who used to pick the PP2, which was invisible to the average person. Can't miss the Mach 1 on the street.

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[Bear_Stang]

It streamlines Ford's product offerings and gives some status to the buyer's who used to pick the PP2, which was invisible to the average person. Can't miss the Mach 1 on the street.

I thought the best part of the of the pp2 was that you could surprise the other 5.0s with handling moreso than decals?

 

[shogun32]

I don't think anyone sees the Mach 1 as a replacement for the GT350.

they should have underlined that objective to the guys doing the pricing then, eh?

PS. my earlier comment was intended as humor/sarcasm.

 

[Buckwampum]

I thought the best part of the of the pp2 was that you could surprise the other 5.0s with handling moreso than decals?

I'm with you on that, I like a sleeper look myself. I think the issue is that there's a segment that likes the distinct look (like the Bullitt has) and one that likes the no-nonsense performance focus (like PP2) and one that likes the legacy/heritage focus (like the GT350).

With the GT500 taking over halo role from for the GT350 and the Bullitt gone, those who like the heritage angle were looking at ~$75K and up to get into a Shelby GT500, which comes with that sledgehammer engine that is way too much for some folks.

Ford did a pretty deft job of filling that heritage gap by bringing back the Mach 1's heritage, while giving it PP2 handling chops (if you want the handling package)and a distinct appearance (with the appearance package), all while keeping it at ~$55-$60K.

Just like a lot of Shelby folks go without the optional stripes, I'm guessing there will be stealth Mach 1's out there with no flash graphics.

 

[jake_zx2]

It's interesting that the Mach 1 gets the GT350's trans but not its clutch. I guess the power isn't too drastic over the regular 5.0, so the GT clutch is adequate.

The 2018+ GT clutch is an upgrade from the GT350 clutch. It’s not about power... what determines the need for a high strength clutch is TORQUE, of which the GT350 only makes 9 more than the Mach 1. But for 2018+, the GT got an upgraded twin disk clutch as opposed to the GT350’s single disk, so they threw that on the Mach 1. The Mach 1 also gets rev-matching, which was available on the GT but not on the GT350

 

[Fordified]

Looks like option 64S gets the nicer wheels

Looks like the same wheel as the PP2, which are nicer than the Mach 1 base wheels I think.
So, the handling package gets you fatter tires, different wheels, taller rear spoiler w/gurney flap, and lower chin spoiler? I think that's about all.

 

[jake_zx2]

Looks like the same wheel as the PP2, which are nicer than the Mach 1 base wheels I think.
So, the handling package gets you fatter tires, different wheels, taller rear spoiler w/gurney flap, and lower chin spoiler? I think that's about all.

Also revised underbody tray, revised suspension, tuned EPAS/ABS, camber plates, and GT500 toe links

 

[Buckwampum]

The 2018+ GT clutch is an upgrade from the GT350 clutch. It’s not about power... what determines the need for a high strength clutch is TORQUE, of which the GT350 only makes 9 more than the Mach 1. But for 2018+, the GT got an upgraded twin disk clutch as opposed to the GT350’s single disk, so they threw that on the Mach 1. The Mach 1 also gets rev-matching, which was available on the GT but not on the GT350

The GT350 has a dual disc clutch

 

[gfitzge2]

Unfortunately that seams to be true. My salesman tried to select A Plan on my order but it would not let him. That would be a Ford thing not a dealer thing.

 

[jake_zx2]

The GT350 has a dual disc clutch

Got any evidence of that? The parts numbers between the 15-17 GT and GT350 clutches are the same, whereas the 2018+ clutch part number is completely different

Perhaps you’re thinking of the GT500’s dual clutch transmission (since you said dual clutch instead of twin disk)

 

[Buckwampum]

Got any evidence of that? The parts numbers between the 15-17 GT and GT350 clutches are the same, whereas the 2018+ clutch part number is completely different

Perhaps you’re thinking of the GT500’s dual clutch transmission (since you said dual clutch instead of twin disk)

Your earlier post (#110) said the GT350 had a single disc clutch. The GT350 might share the same friction disc with the GT, but it has two friction discs.

 

[GreenS550]

The standard GT has a dual disc clutch system. The Mach 1 fixes the marketing mistake of the Bullitt. The Bullitt to Bullittheads was awesome! Unfortunately a LOT of people wanted different colors, spoilers and automatic transmissions.
Making MagneRide standard on the Mach 1 was a good idea. PP1 without it for a lot of folks is too stiff. Revising the A10 shifting and torque converter and suspension were great ideas. I am guessing that the A700 package includes nav, leather seats, like the 401a package. But I also think a "base" Mach 1 at 52K with manual trans and cloth seats is way too expensive.

If we have to ala carte leather, safe and smart, blah blah, I will either buy a used one a year or two from now or skip totally.

 

[Buckwampum]

Your earlier post (#110) said the GT350 had a single disc clutch. The GT350 might share the same friction disc with the GT, but it has two friction discs.

I said the GT350 has a dual-disc clutch. That is not a dual clutch. And the correct term is dual disc, not twin clutch or twin disc. A clutch consists of more than just a friction disc. The GT500 has dual clutches. The GT350 has a single clutch with dual friction discs. Attached is a pic from Ford’s brochure on the 2019 GT350 where it says it’s a dual-disc clutch.

 

[jake_zx2]

I said the GT350 has a dual-disc clutch. That is not a dual clutch. And the correct term is dual disc, not twin clutch or twin disc. A clutch consists of more than just a friction disc. The GT500 has dual clutches. The GT350 has a single clutch with dual friction discs. Attached is a pic from Ford’s brochure on the 2019 GT350 where it says it’s a dual-disc clutch.

It can be called “dual disk” or “twin disk”, it’s just more commonly called “twin disk”, so I thought perhaps you were confusing it with the GT500s dual clutch automatic

But regardless, thanks for the information. That may have been changed for 2019, as I’m fairly certain the 15-18 GT350s (pre-update) had single disk clutches. I wonder what Ford’s reasoning is for specifically switching to the GT clutch. It’s definitely not power, because like I said, there’s only a difference of 9ft/lbs between the cars. The only thing I can imagine is since the GT350 uses a lightweight flywheel and the GT used a dual mass flywheel, maybe they need to use the GT clutch for the friction surfaces to be compatible

 

[Buckwampum]

It can be called “dual disk” or “twin disk”, it’s just more commonly called “twin disk”, so I thought perhaps you were confusing it with the GT500s dual clutch automatic

But regardless, thanks for the information. That may have been changed for 2019, as I’m fairly certain the 15-18 GT350s (pre-update) had single disk clutches. I wonder what Ford’s reasoning is for specifically switching to the GT clutch. It’s definitely not power, because like I said, there’s only a difference of 9ft/lbs between the cars. The only thing I can imagine is since the GT350 uses a lightweight flywheel and the GT used a dual mass flywheel, maybe they need to use the GT clutch for the friction surfaces to be compatible

Dual disc clutches were an OEM option in 1971 Olds 442’s. As torque had dropped in 1971, I think the decision was made for easier pedal effort there. The other is rotational mass. I’m guessing here that the GT350 went with a dual disc setup to generate the required clamping force while saving weight. With an 8250 rpm redline, that lower rotating weight is important. I maybe overthinking it here. They could have just done it for commonality of parts.

That said, I do recall reading that the Mach 1 was getting the GT clutch and not the GT350 clutch. I attribute that to the lower redline requirement of the 5.0 versus the 5.2. It would be interesting to know exactly what the difference is between the current GT and GT350 clutches. Perhaps the article I read was mistaken, but if not I’d like to know what clutch the Mach 1 gets and why. Since the clutch is not a warranty item (check out the very recent thread on the GT350 forum regarding a clutch failure) I think it’s important to understand what’s going on.

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