2021 GT500 For Sale at Local Dealership

[Inthehighdesert]

I have a premium vert as well. The interior is not better then my 350's, and for sure not a Carbon 500.

It shares the less than stellar, although still better than Camaro, interior as well. My GT/CS Premium interior has better materials than this one does. But anyway, it's still on the lot.

Probably will be for some time.

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[Tomster]

The Track.

Yes, I will elaborate later. I have to go out for a bit.

 

[Baldilocks]

I have a premium vert as well. The interior is not better then my 350's, and for sure not a Carbon 500.

The on on the lot doesn't look as nice on the inside as my California Special. I think it's just the way the faux suede looks, along with the red stitching.

 

[Steve68]

Yes, I will elaborate later. I have to go out for a bit.

 

[Tomster]

When you write, "is an engineered car built for a specific purpose", what specific purpose are you citing? Not being a wiseass. I can only think of a few: Drag racing, racetrack/road coarse, ripping around town, feeling awesome from the acceleration, and maybe just going fast as F@%& whenever you want in general, and collector market/nostalgia. What's your take? Did I miss anything?

It is simple and honestly I'm surprised to hear you ask this question. The GT500 was an improvement on the lessons learned from the GT350. Ford Performance decided to develop an improved version in terms of capability and performance for each version.

For example, I had the pleasure of meeting and driving with Billy Johnson at the Daytona International Speedway a while back in one of my GT350Rs. Since I had my order in for a '20 GT500 CFTP, I had a lot of questions to ask the very person who developed the GT500 as well as the GT350 and the Ford GT. The topic of discussion ranged from the GT350 and its performance along with applications but with the subject matter focusing towards the GT500 that was about to come.

Some of my pointed questions included a comparison in terms of suitability to as well as comparative performance characteristics of the 500 vs the 350. In no uncertain terms I was told that the GT500 will be exponentially better in every way to the GT350. Furthermore I was told that anyone of means should get the CFTP. I was set back by that a little bit based upon the infamous track capable car that the GT350R was. Nonetheless, we headed out on the track and I got to watch what the master was capable of. The man is a magician behind the wheel and is one of the best in the business. So when Billy Johnson makes a statement like that, I take that as gospel.

Eventually my CFTP was delivered and the car was absolutely amazing. I was running in the professional racers group and the capabilities of the car shined. I was progressively pushing the car faster and faster driving two minute laps. The car had more in it. I suspect in the hands of Billy, it would be 1:50ish laps, which is insane fast for a car like this.

So anyway, a question that was asked more or less was "what was this car built for"? My answer is it depends on the version you get. The car that I have, the CFTP, is purpose built for the track. Specifically where it shines is fast tracks where you can quickly accelerate to speed and still maneuver on more technical portions of the track. As for the base 500? We've seen many do very well at the strip with relatively minor modifications.

If your game is not some form of track or drag strip, then there are other vehicles for people who don't need the performance. If the person asking the question meant something like "why would anyone who does not take their car to the track need such performance"? Well that comes down to each person's individual reasons. I am a firm believer that anyone who can afford the vehicle should not be kept from buying it because it is their money and their decision of how to spend it. Either version of the GT500 really was not intended to be a "drive to the grocery store" car or whatever. But if a person can afford it and that's what they want to do, then have at it.

Which brings us to the whole ADM discussion. If someone wants something bad enough and they are willing to pay whatever they can afford, they who is anyone else to second judge them? It is a free market that is governed by supply and demand. Adam Smith wrote in wealth of nations about the invisible hand that governs markets based upon free will and that so called invisible hand will guide and move the economy to what it really is.

So, the idea of "lets all hold out and force the dealerships to sell only at MSRP" is preposterous. Anyone who thinks like that is naïve and foolish. It has been and still seems to be the folks who come over here from the GT section of the forum are the ones who think this way. They roll into a dealership parking lot and negotiate MSRP and sub MSRP deals on GTs all the doo da day. For Ford Performance vehicles, it normally doesn't work that way.

So bla bla bla to go along with the bla bla bla of the GT folks.

I leave you with a clip of Billy Johnson driving one of my former R models, HR361. I never had so much fun in a very long time watching a master work in unison with a machine he developed.

 

[Tomster]

Enjoy the popcorn Steve, lol

 

[Steve68]

Socialists, what are ya gonna do with 'em Maybe we can form an anarcho-syndicalist commune!

Before I pulled the trigger on the Bullitt last weekend I threw an "invoice" offer at the stealership down the street for the Mach 1 in their showroom (they had a $5k markup on it.) Later that day the Sales Manager calls me and says "Do you want to make a realistic offer?" I basically declined and headed off for the Bullitt, which was $18k cheaper and a better fit for my usage.

But yeah, the "let's all band together and refuse to pay ADMs" thing has always been foolish. If you don't want to pay them, either wait for late in the model cycle, or find a used one at some point. These high end cars always end up on the used market cuz there are folks that buy them and really can't afford them (or otherwise decide it's not how they want to use their money), and at some point they wise up and put it up for sale. So you find low-mileage cars at a much better price. We're seeing it with the Bullitt right now and there are even several used GT500s for sale in my area.

 

[Tomster]

Socialists, what are ya gonna do with 'em Maybe we can form an anarcho-syndicalist commune!

Before I pulled the trigger on the Bullitt last weekend I threw an "invoice" offer at the stealership down the street for the Mach 1 in their showroom (they had a $5k markup on it.) Later that day the Sales Manager calls me and says "Do you want to make a realistic offer?" I basically declined and headed off for the Bullitt, which was $18k cheaper and a better fit for my usage.

But yeah, the "let's all band together and refuse to pay ADMs" thing has always been foolish. If you don't want to pay them, either wait for late in the model cycle, or find a used one at some point. These high end cars always end up on the used market cuz there are folks that buy them and really can't afford them (or otherwise decide it's not how they want to use their money), and at some point they wise up and put it up for sale. So you find low-mileage cars at a much better price. We're seeing it with the Bullitt right now and there are even several used GT500s for sale in my area.

Why the name change Steve?

 

[Steve68]

Why the name change Steve?

16 was a reference to my GT350 (not a good ownership experience for me .) "Steve" is both an homage to myself and McQueen. The 68 is a reference to the movie car and year both were made. I also got the plate!

 

[K4fxd]

It is simple and honestly I'm surprised to hear you ask this question. The GT500 was an improvement on the lessons learned from the GT350. Ford Performance decided to develop an improved version in terms of capability and performance for each version.

For example, I had the pleasure of meeting and driving with Billy Johnson at the Daytona International Speedway a while back in one of my GT350Rs. Since I had my order in for a '20 GT500 CFTP, I had a lot of questions to ask the very person who developed the GT500 as well as the GT350 and the Ford GT. The topic of discussion ranged from the GT350 and its performance along with applications but with the subject matter focusing towards the GT500 that was about to come.

Some of my pointed questions included a comparison in terms of suitability to as well as comparative performance characteristics of the 500 vs the 350. In no uncertain terms I was told that the GT500 will be exponentially better in every way to the GT350. Furthermore I was told that anyone of means should get the CFTP. I was set back by that a little bit based upon the infamous track capable car that the GT350R was. Nonetheless, we headed out on the track and I got to watch what the master was capable of. The man is a magician behind the wheel and is one of the best in the business. So when Billy Johnson makes a statement like that, I take that as gospel.

Eventually my CFTP was delivered and the car was absolutely amazing. I was running in the professional racers group and the capabilities of the car shined. I was progressively pushing the car faster and faster driving two minute laps. The car had more in it. I suspect in the hands of Billy, it would be 1:50ish laps, which is insane fast for a car like this.

So anyway, a question that was asked more or less was "what was this car built for"? My answer is it depends on the version you get. The car that I have, the CFTP, is purpose built for the track. Specifically where it shines is fast tracks where you can quickly accelerate to speed and still maneuver on more technical portions of the track. As for the base 500? We've seen many do very well at the strip with relatively minor modifications.

If your game is not some form of track or drag strip, then there are other vehicles for people who don't need the performance. If the person asking the question meant something like "why would anyone who does not take their car to the track need such performance"? Well that comes down to each person's individual reasons. I am a firm believer that anyone who can afford the vehicle should not be kept from buying it because it is their money and their decision of how to spend it. Either version of the GT500 really was not intended to be a "drive to the grocery store" car or whatever. But if a person can afford it and that's what they want to do, then have at it.

Which brings us to the whole ADM discussion. If someone wants something bad enough and they are willing to pay whatever they can afford, they who is anyone else to second judge them? It is a free market that is governed by supply and demand. Adam Smith wrote in wealth of nations about the invisible hand that governs markets based upon free will and that so called invisible hand will guide and move the economy to what it really is.

So, the idea of "lets all hold out and force the dealerships to sell only at MSRP" is preposterous. Anyone who thinks like that is naïve and foolish. It has been and still seems to be the folks who come over here from the GT section of the forum are the ones who think this way. They roll into a dealership parking lot and negotiate MSRP and sub MSRP deals on GTs all the doo da day. For Ford Performance vehicles, it normally doesn't work that way.

So bla bla bla to go along with the bla bla bla of the GT folks.

I leave you with a clip of Billy Johnson driving one of my former R models, HR361. I never had so much fun in a very long time watching a master work in unison with a machine he developed.

Any chance you could post the whole lap?

 

[hlfbkd420]

So bla bla bla to go along with the bla bla bla of the GT folks.

Fixed it for you cause that’s all us GT folks understand from you.

 

[ICU812]

That would be a first. Any of the ford GT guys that show up at the track are too afraid of messing up their cars. They are showpieces owned by people who never take them out to do any real kind of driving. At least that is my experience when I see them at the track. It is quite humorous.

You mean like most but not all shelby owners, yes most Ford gt owners look at their cars, but some of them drive them in anger.
Part of the reason I moved away from that vehicle level, no one drove the things other than of and on a trailer. Only a few got after it even when at a track.

 

[TMC GT500]

I get the reluctance to support a screwed up system and pay an ADM. But ultimately it is a simple, free market economy where supply and demand rule. I admit I paid slightly above MSRP. My rationale is every other desirable performance car in this COVID/chip shortage market is undergoing premium pricing... and those comparables (even used) are even more expensive. I have a finite time on this planet to worry about a few extra thousand dollars. I work extremely hard and charge a premium for my services... so I can’t be hypocritical and refuse to pay a premium for other’s products or services when that is what the market commands.

 

[ICU812]

But I believe the point was that it may be "a mustang" but in name only. The only thing it really shares is the line it rolls down and the chassis it is built on. So the "only a mustang" analogy really isn't valid.

If you think swapping out the springs, shocks, anti roll bars, wheels, brakes, and a v8 engine for a different v8 engine and some extra cooling is worth the extra 45-60k over a loaded gt, have at it.
At the end of the day it is a Ford mustang with a bunch of aftermarket lic. parts with a ford part # thrown at it at the factory.
You would not buy a mod'd up mustang gt that a guy dumped 50k into over cost of the car for 100k+.
But do just that at the ford dealership.
Marketing dept. thank you.

 

[ICU812]

I get the reluctance to support a screwed up system and pay an ADM. But ultimately it is a simple, free market economy where supply and demand rule. I admit I paid slightly above MSRP. My rationale is every other desirable performance car in this COVID/chip shortage market is undergoing premium pricing... and those comparables (even used) are even more expensive. I have a finite time on this planet to worry about a few extra thousand dollars. I work extremely hard and charge a premium for my services... so I can’t be hypocritical and refuse to pay a premium for other’s products or services when that is what the market commands.

This paying over msrp has been going on long before the covid mess.
Is it really supply and demand when units are sitting unsold at dealerships?
If demand was that high, there be no units in inventory.
When in 2021 there are 2020 m.y. units on sales floor new. demand isn't the issue nor supply. Dealers knowing there is a buyer that will pay it if they hold out long enough is the reason.
A local dealer has 12 mustang gt's at all times, but since the"chip/covid mess. only has 2 in inventory, and the other 10 are "in transit" . In reality they are hidden in the dealers overflow lot. This little game has allowed them to get 5k over msrp on every unit, same with exployers only the make up on those is 10k . Why they do this, because they know people will pay it if they "think" there is only 2 units avail. and are more likely to do the deal today. That exployer gets sold, and another comes over from the overflow lot.

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