2020 Toyota GR Supra vs. 2019 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350: Which Is the Better Driver's Machine?

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Supra may not overheat, but....

It's not like ford has never had lawsuits or recalls, but welds? DAMN!
According to a few sites, it's the seat-belt loops, it's a few cars, Toyota will do the inspection and it's a simple thing to ID, people who do have a car with an issue, get a replacement.

Unfortunately, there’s no way to “fix” the bad welding after the fact, so folks will be getting a whole new Supra. That's a pretty drastic measure, but the recall is minuscule. Only seven Supras are potentially affected, making this one of the smaller recalls we’ve ever reported on.
For some reason people are making a big deal out of the fact BMW is issuing the recall, I think most of us know how close the collaboration is between BMW and Toyota on this car.

Side note: HFS, I'd like to punch Scotty in the face ...
 

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was probably a welding robot that had a malfunction (or programatic typo) and diagnostics didn't catch it nor weld-inspection.
 

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Noted, but he looks spry. His ground game might be solid.

In all seriousness, I thought the supra was doing too much advertising. It was like they were tugging on the "member-berries" a bit too hard. I was one of the ones unaware that it was a BMW partnership. Don't get me wrong, the car looks fast as arse on paper and on youtube, but I do not think it is comp for mustangs based on target group.

As for the recalls, I understand that it is a new, new, car. That being said, a track designed and tested car from toyota and bmw with ANY recalls is concerning.
 

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I absolutely destroyed a Supra afew days back, people buy them because they think its fast, boy was this person dissapointed.
 

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I think the GT350 overheated so fast because the front splitter fell off. I'm surprised they used that in their film. Randy P was complaining about understeer a lot. I get it - the air flow at the front of the car will be completely different with no splitter. And yes, I think the GT350 understeers in stock form, but it's obviously going to understeer a lot more without the splitter!

It's funny - they took the time to put stickier non-stock tires on the Zupra to try to make it more competitive at the road course, but they couldn't be bothered to reattach the splitter on the GT350 and run a lap with it on the car.

Really poorly done comparison if you really want to have a fair test, but I understand their goal is more to entertain rather than having the most accurate comparison possible.
 

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I think the GT350 overheated so fast because the front splitter fell off. I'm surprised they used that in their film. Randy P was complaining about understeer a lot. I get it - the air flow at the front of the car will be completely different with no splitter. And yes, I think the GT350 understeers in stock form, but it's obviously going to understeer a lot more without the splitter!

It's funny - they took the time to put stickier non-stock tires on the Zupra to try to make it more competitive at the road course, but they couldn't be bothered to reattach the splitter on the GT350 and run a lap with it on the car.

Really poorly done comparison if you really want to have a fair test, but I understand their goal is more to entertain rather than having the most accurate comparison possible.
That Toyota money though...
 

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Motortrend on demand just did a comparison between these two.

They did the tail of the dragon and preferred the GT350 overall, but the size of the Supra was preferred.
They did a drag strip and the Supra was faster, but both were way slower than they should have been Supra trapping around 106 and the GT350 trapping 109. Must have been hot, they both were drenched in sweat.
They then did the full 3.15 mile NCM Track. Tested the Supra on non-R and R compound tires but both were far behind the GT350. The GT350 did overheat though.

GT350: 2:16.75
Supra non-R Compound: 2:23.01
Supra R Compound: 2:20.82

Overall they said the GT350 won slightly, but would have won by more if it didn't overheat.
Motortrend is something really. Now because of this comparison video people are going to use the overheating excuse against the GT350. I thought Ford took care of this at the end of 2016. Anyways, Supra never had a chance and it even lost to a GTPP with 10 speed in the throttle house quarter mile comparison and almost dead even on the road coarse.
 

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Yep. I overheated my car when it was completely stock at COTA in 100* weather. Took a full session to do it, but it hit limp mode. I now have a bigger engine oil cooler and huge hood vents and I can't get it to overheat anymore :)
Doesn’t it help drilling all the closed honeycomb holes on the grill?
 

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Doesn’t it help drilling all the closed honeycomb holes on the grill?
It’s a trade off for minimal change. The open grille area is hitting the radiator. the closed portion os to help aero and control turbulence under hood.
 

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The point was to poke fun at the notion that only this or that feature makes a "driver's" car. Anything can be a driver's car if it gets driven for the joy of driving. Drivers make the car, not the parts and pieces.
I can tell you for sure my Fiesta is not a drivers car there is no way you can make it a drivers car.
 
 
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