2020 10r80. Whipple or ESS?

[coyote550]

Centri does not act like a turbo.

I'm not sure where the disconnect is. Maybe its in my wording. On the surface, they both use an impeller, both compress air and force it into the engine, but one is driven by the exhaust and the other by the crank via belt. Turbo has lag and a power band spike in an all or nothing way, centrifugal is linear and smooth but in the end they both produce peak boost up top in the rpm range which is all I was trying to say. I don't know much about superchargers, but I do know about turbos, but still, I'm not sure why there's the need to nitpick every tiny detail.

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[qwiknotch]

Correct. However, the amount of people that see my centrifugal and say “ohh turbo” is astonishing.

Havent had that one yet, but my Vortech gets called a Procharger all the time. Apparently the only centrifugal supercharger available is a Procharger lol

 

[robvas]

I tried to find 3 dyno graphs that were similar peak power, 700hp....

I sort of failed, the turbo car makes more power than the other two so it exaggerated this a bit. But that brings up another point that a turbo will make more hp on the same boost as either blower setup....Also it would have been nice to have data with boost numbers...but anyway.

I first did a Whipple, turbo, and centrifugal. And then I took the Whipple out of it because the graph gets busy with 6 plots

The turbo car makes a ton of boost at like 4,000rpm, you can see how much fatter the midrange is. Again the car is making more power than the centri car so it's a little bigger difference than I would like to use for illustration, but you're making say 10psi instead....3-4?

A huge difference in the middle. And I'm guessing this was a smaller setup on a 15-17 car because it stops at 7,000rpm and starts to die off a bit, but you could just stretch the graph to the right a couple hundred rpm to simulate having a little bigger turbo on it.

 

[qwiknotch]

look, all you need to remember is silicone piping is better than hard pipes.

And t-bolts are way better than alligator clamps

 

[robvas]

Maybe a better example...just look at how soon in the powerband the Hellion car is making 80-90% of peak boost compared to the centrifgual car (boost is the second graph in each pair). The turbo car peaks and holds for a long time where the centrifigual just peaks at the end.

 

[coyote550]

I tried to find 3 dyno graphs that were similar peak power, 700hp....

I sort of failed, the turbo car makes more power than the other two so it exaggerated this a bit. But that brings up another point that a turbo will make more hp on the same boost as either blower setup....Also it would have been nice to have data with boost numbers...but anyway.

I first did a Whipple, turbo, and centrifugal. And then I took the Whipple out of it because the graph gets busy with 6 plots

The turbo car makes a ton of boost at like 4,000rpm, you can see how much fatter the midrange is. Again the car is making more power than the centri car so it's a little bigger difference than I would like to use for illustration, but you're making say 10psi instead....3-4?

A huge difference in the middle. And I'm guessing this was a smaller setup on a 15-17 car because it stops at 7,000rpm and starts to die off a bit, but you could just stretch the graph to the right a couple hundred rpm to simulate having a little bigger turbo on it.

Thank you very much. That was very educational and I stand corrected. What I see from the graphs is that, aside from higher initial torque lower in the rpm range, there is little difference between a centi and a whipple. Again, thank you for taking the time to look into it

 

[robvas]

What I see from the graphs is that, aside from higher initial torque lower in the rpm range, there is little difference between a centi and a whipple. Again, thank you for taking time to look into it.

It does look that way in the graph but it's very, very deceiving, especially if you just look at the HP (because of the way its calculated with RPM)

There's a massive gap in the torque down low and it's very obvious when you drive one. But once you get it going (say 6000 and up) they are very similar

 

[80FoxCoupe]

I'm not sure where the disconnect is. Maybe its in my wording. On the surface, they both use an impeller, both compress air and force it into the engine, but one is driven by the exhaust and the other by the crank via belt. Turbo has lag and a power band spike in an all or nothing way, centrifugal is linear and smooth but in the end they both produce peak boost up top in the rpm range which is all I was trying to say. I don't know much about superchargers, but I do know about turbos, but still, I'm not sure why there's the need to nitpick every tiny detail.

The compressors appear similar, that's where the similarities end. Not nitpicking anything. You are simply taking the one similar detail and extrapolating it. Centri is not like a turbo.

 

[80FoxCoupe]

look, all you need to remember is silicone piping is better than hard pipes.

Say it enough and I may just give in LOL. I'm simply an internet rando with little to no real world experience.

 

[qwiknotch]

This shows you how much a difference a PD blower is at low RPM compared to twin turbos

 

[Wolfys11]

Whipple, turbo, ess (or other centri)
All great options
Youre an auto so the difference between them is smaller, all 3 are very good for 700-800whp, closer to 700 on 93, 800whp is more e85 or meth injection territory for safety

Realistically turbos are more expensive, whipple is mid, centri is a little bit cheaper but not consideravly

Centri is easiest to install, whipple is watercooled if you like that, turbos are work and a half so imo 800whp isnt worth turbo work

Centri and whipple will go to 1k hp without any issues, its really just preference. Centri makes the noise but whipple is the “american” classic

Watch some youtube vids of each, see which sounds better to you as either honestly is the same thing compared to the other in an auto 800whp street application

 

[Wolfys11]

Oh and silicon hoses are better, as well as dont forget wengerd for tuning

I almost forgot to sell

 

[coyote550]

Well the video says that a centri is basically a belt driven turbo, and has somewhat of a lag down low in the rpm range. So it basically it does little down low gets more efficient as the rpm's rise. Kinda similar to a turbo I'd say lol just a lot more linear and quite different from a PD blower. I guess maybe the guy in the video is wrong too, who knows.

 

[robvas]

Well the video says that a centri is basically a belt driven turbo, and has somewhat of a lag down low in the rpm range. So it basically gets more efficient as the rpm's rise. Kinda similar to a turbo

No. Because you can fully spool a turbo at 4000 rpm, you can't fully spool a centrifugal until redline.

It's belt driven but that's the exact issue. You can't spin it up until redline.

Turbo engines (EcoBoost for example) are famous for low end power. A centrifugal literally has no more than stock at low rpm

 

[daSNAK3]

I enjoy the ESS.. would be even better if I had a A10 like you… you’ll need a fuel system/e85 to get over 700whp, it might be doable with the G3R, but otherwise around 680 will be the top with a G3 on 93 octane.

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