Exactly. That's something most people usually don't get, they think that if a Manufacturer released something yesterday, the car that is about to be released by another manufacturer will have an answer for that; they need years.It's not like they can just bump the power by 60-70 HP without major changes to the tune or engine. Whatever the GT500 makes it's already been determined after 3-4 years of development.
I do understand that. The reason I said that is because at my job site some guys said they wanted the hellcat because it had the most power. These guys are in their late 20s or so. That's what the younger crowd sees now. Who has the biggest number, that's who they roll with.:ford:Performance numbers yes but the HP and TQ can be less as long as it's faster.
Yes, they were posted a page back.red eye numbers are out...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...-new-797-horsepower-hellcat-redeye/743960002/
Preparations can take years, but if an automaker wanted to, they could develop multiple engines/versions in parallel in order to be ready. Then as the release date nears they could choose which version they want to announce.Exactly. That's something most people usually don't get, they think that if a Manufacturer released something yesterday, the car that is about to be released by another manufacturer will have an answer for that; they need years.
Yeah.... I was going to cover that as an “unless” however I assumed it was not necessary since someone would reply “they should have turned the knob to eleven and go for the highest HP/TQ”.Preparations can take years, but if an automaker wanted to, they could develop multiple engines/versions in parallel in order to be ready. Then as the release date nears they could choose which version they want to announce.
That depends on how and where the differences in versions lie. Hardware changes, no matter how “simple”, if done through a supplier have to go through a process called PPAP. I forget what the acronyms are, but anyone who’s worked in an OEM Purchasing dept or a Tier 1 supplier’s Quality department knows what an onerous process that is. It involves certifying production parts made off of suppliers equipment long before the first production parts are done. It’s an expensive and time consuming process. You don’t just PPAP “contingency” parts.Preparations can take years, but if an automaker wanted to, they could develop multiple engines/versions in parallel in order to be ready. Then as the release date nears they could choose which version they want to announce.
Production Part Aproval Process; Exactly, all parts should have PPAP at PP event, or MP1 the latest (under special circumstances).That depends on how and where the differences in versions lie. Hardware changes, no matter how “simple”, if done through a supplier have to go through a process called PPAP. I forget what the acronyms are, but anyone who’s worked in an OEM Purchasing dept or a Tier 1 supplier’s Quality department knows what an onerous process that is. It involves certifying production parts made off of suppliers equipment long before the first production parts are done. It’s an expensive and time consuming process. You don’t just PPAP “contingency” parts.
Yep...nor do you tool-up contingency parts. A program sets attribute targets 3-5 years ahead of J1 and any significant change to those mid program almost always results in J1 delay of 6-12 months, depending on what's affected.That depends on how and where the differences in versions lie. Hardware changes, no matter how “simple”, if done through a supplier have to go through a process called PPAP. I forget what the acronyms are, but anyone who’s worked in an OEM Purchasing dept or a Tier 1 supplier’s Quality department knows what an onerous process that is. It involves certifying production parts made off of suppliers equipment long before the first production parts are done. It’s an expensive and time consuming process. You don’t just PPAP “contingency” parts.
Exactly. People will say i have 797 hp, its the fastest car out there! As they get beat by one with less horsepower. I've seen it on the strip multiple times, we all have. I'd rather have the better car.I do understand that. The reason I said that is because at my job site some guys said they wanted the hellcat because it had the most power. These guys are in their late 20s or so. That's what the younger crowd sees now. Who has the biggest number, that's who they roll with.:ford:
Adjusted. PPAP is part of APQP, which is a requirement for anyone pretty much.That depends on how and where the differences in versions lie. Hardware changes, no matter how “simple”, if done through a supplier have to go through a process called APQP. I forget what the acronyms are, but anyone who’s worked in an OEM Purchasing dept or a Tier 1 supplier’s Quality department knows what an onerous process that is. It involves certifying production parts made off of suppliers equipment long before the first production parts are done. It’s an expensive and time consuming process. You don’t just PPAP “contingency” parts.
They sort of do this sometimes, but only in prototype phases. To do what you’re getting at would not make sense for budgets, time and resources.Preparations can take years, but if an automaker wanted to, they could develop multiple engines/versions in parallel in order to be ready. Then as the release date nears they could choose which version they want to announce.
i agree.:ford:Exactly. People will say i have 797 hp, its the fastest car out there! As they get beat by one with less horsepower. I've seen it on the strip multiple times, we all have. I'd rather have the better car.
That depends on how and where the differences in versions lie. Hardware changes, no matter how “simple”, if done through a supplier have to go through a process called PPAP. I forget what the acronyms are, but anyone who’s worked in an OEM Purchasing dept or a Tier 1 supplier’s Quality department knows what an onerous process that is. It involves certifying production parts made off of suppliers equipment long before the first production parts are done. It’s an expensive and time consuming process. You don’t just PPAP “contingency” parts.
Yep...nor do you tool-up contingency parts. A program sets attribute targets 3-5 years ahead of J1 and any significant change to those mid program almost always results in J1 delay of 6-12 months, depending on what's affected.
Thanks for the inside glimpses. It's interesting that a company selling so many vehicles "can't afford" to develop multiple options. I would have never guessed. I work in engineering NPD and we develop multiple options on almost every project.They sort of do this sometimes, but only in prototype phases. To do what you’re getting at would not make sense for budgets, time and resources.