2018 Mustang Manual vs. Auto--MotorTrend

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  1. michail71

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    I like the A10 too but that sounds like a cool wife.
     
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    Precisely the reason why the camaro and it's 8 speed was so much quicker. I've averaged out the 15-17 M6 fast list and compared them to the 6th gen camaro. What I found was the 15-17 averages out to be about 0.25 seconds and 3 mph slower than the 16+ camaro. From what I've seen, the HP bump on the MY18 (or a tune and CAI on the 15-17) fills the gap. The main reason the MY16+ camaro (and Scatpack Charger) were so much quicker than the MY15-17 GT was their superior 8 speed auto. If the MY15-17 GT had the MY18 auto, you'd see a delta very similar to what the M6 has.
     
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    A10 is a game changer! I know...
     
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    It does seem like people are reporting more '18 manual issues than 15-17. Or is that not the case?
     
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    Tweaked a little. Whether improvements in technology are always better (in all respects, including subjectively) is open to question. Personally, I don't even care about whole seconds here.



    Out of curiosity, I did carry the MT numbers out a little - and going from a 1 second difference to 100 mph to only an 0.5 second difference in ET is entirely reasonable. When the AT car hits 100 mph, it does so about 80 feet sooner than the MT car takes to hit its 100 mph speed. Meaning that the AT car actually has 80 feet further to go from its 100 mph position to the timing line. At about 160 ft/sec average speed (between 100 mph and trap speed), that's going to take . . . right around 0.5 second.


    Norm
     
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    The 20+ hp manual trans only $46,595 Bullitt is clearly not going to be enough to match the acceleration of a base $37,695 GT with the A10.

    Ouch.
     
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    You need to try harder....


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    I have now owned both. 15 GT M6 and now the 18GT A10.

    I do not miss the 15 M6.

    I have been a manual guy my whole life.
     
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    With my Classic Muscle cars I always preferred a manual over an auto and followed that line when I bought a 6 speed manual SS Camaro in 2010, then the 2011 Mustang 5.0 came out and I read great things about the 6R80 and bought one. it was fast and fun(mid 12's bone stock) I figured hell if the auto is this fast and fun the 2013 track pack with 6 speed manual should be a friggin blast so I bought one. I hated the MT82 and traded it in for a 2013 GT with A6 after less than 4000 miles and 10 months of owning it. my preference for manual transmissions is definitely a thing of the past. these new auto's are great.
     
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    #30 Silver Bullitt, Jun 24, 2018
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    Steve McQueen didn't need no stinking automatic.

    [ame]
     
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    i dont get why there is any debate between auto. i think most people know the auto is faster, at least in a straight line. If you enjoy manual more then great. if you do roady course or auto cross i understand getting a manual. i think ford did a good job of making the auto a fun experience for daily driving. I keep seeing the claims that a pro driver in a manual on a tire could run 11s.. please. i guess there is no pro driver alive. I always laugh at how many people claim they have "driver mod" but any time a manual is slow it needs a "driver mod". there are too many benefits for the manual to overcome.

    side note. sometimes i wonder if its a hidden agenda to rid the manuals. if they continue to make them weaker and less people buy them. Didnt manuals used to be stronger and faster? now its the other way.
     
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    Remember that the refresh got way longer gears for the MT for better fuel economy. The AT clearly got the besser gear ratios for a fast acceleration from a complete stand.

    2015 V8 MT:
    3.657
    2.430
    1.686
    1.315
    1.00
    0.651

    2018 V8 MT:
    3.24
    2.10
    1.42
    1.00
    0.81
    0.62

    2018 V8 AT:
    4.70
    2.99
    2.15
    1.77
    1.52
    1.28
    1.00
    0.85
    0.69
    0.64
     
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    Its the age old debate, manual owners think that auto drivers are soft for not wanting to row the gears daily. The truth is, there have been and still are so many issues with this mt-82. The sensible folks here will not take a chance on the mt-82 being reliable, especially when adding power to it. The only other choice is an auto, which has proven to be faster and more reliable even after adding big power. Now if Ford went with a tremec transmission as oem equipment, alot more folks would have bought one.. all my mustangs were manual until my current one. i had an 04 tremec, 2010 tremec, and a 2012 mt-82, which was replaced by a tremec magnum. I actually prefer manuals over autos but no way i will ever own another mt-82 trans....We are suppose to learn from our bad experiences not repeat them...
     
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    My cammed M6 GTO w/ 3.47's would run 12.3x w/ a 1.8 60' trapping about 112. That was on a 275 dr putting about 415 to the wheels and a dry weight of about 3,800 lbs. I don't see what's so unbelievable about running an 11.9x with an M6 w/ 3.73's and a 325 dr putting an additional 25hp to the wheels and cutting a 1.7 60' trapping about 115. And, I'm certainly no "pro driver". Can you help me out here?
     
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    It wasn't always that way.

    Used to be that driver involvement and best straight line performance both came with the MT.

    These days, debate happens because that is no longer true, and while straight line performance is easily quantified, the same cannot be said for the subjectives. IOW, there's no single way to compare gains in performance against losses in involvement/satisfaction of getting it right all by yourself that works for everybody. Individually, sure, and that's where the debates come from. Individuals.

    Plus, perhaps, there's a greater willingness even among enthusiasts to accept having more of the little tasks that make up "driving" done for them by electronic and hydraulic automation.

    I don't think the "agenda" is very well hidden. The conventional 3-pedal MT is all but gone from anything that could be considered a family sedan, to say nothing about pickups, SUVs, crossovers, and minivans.


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    415whp to 425 whp is not 25 more whp. how much torque did that GTO have? you act as if no one has tried yet...
    Evan Smith of MMFF fame ran a 12.20 which i believe is the standing record for the manual. which from what i can tell most people rank him high as a driver.

    ya i remember even as late as the early 2000s manuals were the only way to go for you common enthusiast but now days with manual issues and auto speed its difficult to choose a manual.. at least for me.
     
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    Automatics are more energy efficient now too. 8 - 10% drivetrain loss is not uncommon. The ZF8 consistently returns mid 600's for the Hellcat. Because it's EFFICIENT. 20% drivetrain loss through an automatic is antiquated thinking and frankly, antiquated reality.
     
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    Torque in the GTO was <400, although it was definitely earlier in the power band. Any reference that I've made to 11's said tire and a tune I believe. Stock it should be around 425 from what I've seen. I'd hope a tune would at least be worth 15hp. I doubt that 12.20 was on a 325 dr, most likely the stock PS4's. I just don't understand why you believe it's so unreasonable. I'll concede all day long the auto could be 1/2 sec faster. I'm not trying to compete with the auto. I'm just one of those folks who wouldn't even consider an auto in a car like this. I might make a couple dozen passes in it throughout its life. My goal is to be in the 11's. The majority of my wheel time I'll be enjoying shifting gears. That's just me.
     
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    I'm sorry, this simply isn't true. A manual transmission is always going to dyno higher than an auto. Think about it…a manual transmission in gear is locked. The engine is rotating the clutch and flywheel as well as the transmission shafts as one unit. The only losses associated are frictional and rotating mass. An auto will be rotating the torque converter and pumping fluid through the valve body. The torque converter itself won’t lock until it reaches a specified load limit. More friction, pumping losses and more rotating mass.

    The real benefit in today’s auto’s is the sheer abundance of gears, the torque convert launch and the lightning quick shifts. The ability to stay in the powerband far outweighs the extra power losses.

    An example. This is corvette comparison, but it’s still valid.
    [ame]
     
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