Vile_the_Bastage
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I've had a love hate relationship with the IRS to be honest. Gave Steeda a lot of money to get it sorted out. Oh and then there are the toothpick half shafts.
435 at the crank.... toothpick half shafts....
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14 GT vs S550's observation
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435 at the crank.... toothpick half shafts....
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I love both cars. I test drove a 13 Redfire GT premium 6 speed car home when I was looking. They had traded it in at the dealership I worked for at the time. Poked around in it. Liked it a lot but it's a car that feels big, heavy, and kind of floaty (stock suspension car). I decided I was going to buy it but after doing the math, the numbers came back and a base PP GT fit my budget as well. I said "What the hell" and test drove a silver PP GT base 6 speed car.
The refinement, interior layout, looks, brakes and ride quality are worth the slightly slower ET's. The car still hauls ass for bone stock. I don't need 1/4 ET to account for why I buy a car. I look at the whole package.
The refinement, interior layout, looks, brakes and ride quality are worth the slightly slower ET's. The car still hauls ass for bone stock. I don't need 1/4 ET to account for why I buy a car. I look at the whole package.
Norm Peterson
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The best mods you can do to an S197 (of any vintage) have nothing to do with appearance. Stick-axle and all, they can be turned into decent track-day (road course, not just drag strip) performers without a whole lot of trouble. Even the 4.6L cars.
Heh . . . I wonder if the BMW drivers I keep up with around the turns at the local road course ever get "heartbroken"?
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Why the :lol::lol::lol:
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I'm wondering too. An E92 M3 is a serious machine. Put an exhaust on it with the Competition Pack and the DCT...oh my goodness.
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it sure didThe s550 GT was supposed to destroy the 12-13 BOSS and that didn't
happen.
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Boss is a specialty car. It's a mile above the regular GT of that body style. You're comparing apples to oranges. Compare the GT to a GT then you have a legitimate argument. But I'll take the big cheese argument..The s550 GT was supposed to destroy the 12-13 BOSS and that didn't
happen.
Compare the GT350R with the Boss Laguna Seca since they were/are the premier "Handling" cars of the two different generations. Consider that the Boss did have a different iteration of the 5.0 in it. It used Recaro's. Had quite a few solid advancements in chassis and suspension etc. The Shelby is the new version of the Boss as far as I'm concerned. Lets take a look at lap times shall we?
Laguna Seca Raceway
The Boss Laguna Seca from 14' clocked in at 1:39.50
The Shelby GT350R from 16' clocked in at 1:36.11
Both track cars. Both special editions. Both the best of the best for their body style. Over 3 seconds faster around Mazda raceway is substantial.
nastang87xx
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It wasn't him, it was Ford Motor Company that compared apples to oranges. The target for the S550 Performance Pack was to outrun the S197 Boss 302. From Dave Pericak himself.
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Norm Peterson
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All that really shows is what about 80 more HP, at least 400 more usable rpm, wheels an inch or more wider with 50mm more front tire and 30mm more rear tire can do for you. You'd need comparative datalogs to conclude much else.
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While I don't disagree that you would need data to prove that the IRS/platform allowed for better laptimes, all other variables being equal, I would present to you the data of the GT PP being 1 sec faster around Grattan than the Boss (non-LS). That was done with less HP and less tire. The key difference to the Laguna Seca comparison? Grattan isn't a particularly smooth track, and has lots of off-camber corners and elevation changes where an IRS would be helpful.
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Okay?
That's a mute argument. The purpose of the comparison is to show the better car. The differences between the two, like the tires, horsepower, and RPM's, are what makes it the better car. Pointing out the differences and saying "Well their's your difference" doesn't negate the fact that one is clearly faster/better.
If you want to come back with "Well then you can just do a few mods to the S197 and.." argument, let me retort. You can do even more to the S550 chassis. Throw the S197 on a bumpy track and watch it flail about. IRS has and always will be the better choice for a proper track car. The capabilities of the S550 chassis far exceed those of the S197. Even when you factor in Watts link/Torque Arm
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The S550 is much better in terms of all around driving dynamics. It also has a vastly more appealing interior. I gather that these things are important to most of the folks who bought one. The OP obviously prioritizes acceleration performance. You don't have to agree with the guy.
The S197 is why A lot of us are here. An excellent experience with the previous generation is the best way to sell a new car. The S550's weight increase is well justified but I too had a hard time turning in a paid-for car that I loved for one that was slower (even if only a little bit) and worth almost 2x my trade-in value.
I'm paying very close attention to the 2018 refresh. I think the OP should do the same before making any decisions.
Just use the ignore feature.
The S197 is why A lot of us are here. An excellent experience with the previous generation is the best way to sell a new car. The S550's weight increase is well justified but I too had a hard time turning in a paid-for car that I loved for one that was slower (even if only a little bit) and worth almost 2x my trade-in value.
I'm paying very close attention to the 2018 refresh. I think the OP should do the same before making any decisions.
You know the scrawny punk in high school who latches on to the big bully and cackles in the background? That's Todd.
Just use the ignore feature.
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